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Some of you're statements about his political views appear to be false: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul#Political_positions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Some of you're statements about his political views appear to be false: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul#Political_positions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul#Political_positions) Its always nice to have a link when you make such claims :)

marincounty 12y ago
"Paul, who is an ophthalmologist, also asserts that he's heard of cases where vaccines have caused "profound mental disorders." "I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Paul said. "I'm not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. I think they're a good thing. But I think the parents should have some input." http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/politics/rand-paul-vaccine-effects/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/politics/rand-paul-vaccine-eff... I was kind of shocked when I heard a Ophthalmologist make such a pandering comment. He is a trained Doctor? I won't argue Libertinism on this site. I have a feeling this link will get more comments than when Paul Graham told us to be nice--essentially because we are jealous of successful people?
- maratd 12y ago
  > I was kind of shocked What's so shocking about letting parents decide what medical treatment their children undergo? He has repeatedly said that parents should get their children vaccinated. And they should. Parents who don't are irresponsible, both socially and toward their children. However, should and must are two very different words. When you start talking about mandatory, you're talking about cops breaking down doors, taking children away, and vaccinating them by force. Is that what you support? That's sick.
  - lubos 12y ago
    Another straw-man argument against mandatory vaccination. Mandatory also means you might be subject to fines or denied access to government social programs.
    - maratd 12y ago
      > Mandatory also means you might be subject to fines So you write me that ticket and I shove it down my pants, wipe my ass with it, and throw it in your direction. What then? You want to know what happens when you don't pay the government's fines? http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2015/02/09/384968360/jail-time-for-unpaid-court-fines-and-fees-can-create-cycle-of-poverty http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2015/02/09/384968360/jai... So you're OK with throwing people in jail for not performing a medical procedure on their children? I just want to know where you stand. Personally, I think we're better off with a public shaming campaign, same as we did with smoking, but apparently I'm soft?
      - s0x 12y ago
        > So you're OK with throwing people in jail for not performing a medical procedure on their children? Yes.
        maratd 12y ago
        > Yes. Thank you. That's the truth. I very rarely find myself a moderate on things, but both sides of this argument make me sick. The selfish parents who claim vaccines cause autism and who are really riding on herd immunity, while avoiding the relatively minor risks involved with vaccination ... and people like you who think that the solution is to use force and throw these people in jail. A little shaming will go a long way. Both sides have jumped to absurd extremes.
    - spacemanmatt 12y ago
      The government already has the legal ability to make vaccines mandatory. They are rightfully hesitant to use coercive force, though.

marincounty 12y ago

"Paul, who is an ophthalmologist, also asserts that he's heard of cases where vaccines have caused "profound mental disorders." "I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," Paul said. "I'm not arguing vaccines are a bad idea. I think they're a good thing. But I think the parents should have some input." http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/politics/rand-paul-vaccine-effects/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/politics/rand-paul-vaccine-eff... I was kind of shocked when I heard a Ophthalmologist make such a pandering comment. He is a trained Doctor? I won't argue Libertinism on this site. I have a feeling this link will get more comments than when Paul Graham told us to be nice--essentially because we are jealous of successful people?

maratd 12y ago
> I was kind of shocked What's so shocking about letting parents decide what medical treatment their children undergo? He has repeatedly said that parents should get their children vaccinated. And they should. Parents who don't are irresponsible, both socially and toward their children. However, should and must are two very different words. When you start talking about mandatory, you're talking about cops breaking down doors, taking children away, and vaccinating them by force. Is that what you support? That's sick.
- lubos 12y ago
  Another straw-man argument against mandatory vaccination. Mandatory also means you might be subject to fines or denied access to government social programs.
  - maratd 12y ago
    > Mandatory also means you might be subject to fines So you write me that ticket and I shove it down my pants, wipe my ass with it, and throw it in your direction. What then? You want to know what happens when you don't pay the government's fines? http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2015/02/09/384968360/jail-time-for-unpaid-court-fines-and-fees-can-create-cycle-of-poverty http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2015/02/09/384968360/jai... So you're OK with throwing people in jail for not performing a medical procedure on their children? I just want to know where you stand. Personally, I think we're better off with a public shaming campaign, same as we did with smoking, but apparently I'm soft?
    - s0x 12y ago
      > So you're OK with throwing people in jail for not performing a medical procedure on their children? Yes.
      - maratd 12y ago
        > Yes. Thank you. That's the truth. I very rarely find myself a moderate on things, but both sides of this argument make me sick. The selfish parents who claim vaccines cause autism and who are really riding on herd immunity, while avoiding the relatively minor risks involved with vaccination ... and people like you who think that the solution is to use force and throw these people in jail. A little shaming will go a long way. Both sides have jumped to absurd extremes.
  - spacemanmatt 12y ago
    The government already has the legal ability to make vaccines mandatory. They are rightfully hesitant to use coercive force, though.