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All presidential candidates make similar promises when they run, and then, when they get elected, they get exposed to the true reasons why most of these program

All presidential candidates make similar promises when they run, and then, when they get elected, they get exposed to the true reasons why most of these programs exist and they realize the reality is not as simple as it seemed from outside. And then, they perpetuate the status quo. Besides, I just can't stand libertarians who contradict their own positions saying that they want the government out of their lives except when it pertains to contraception, abortion, mandatory vaccinations and same-sex marriage.

higherpurpose 12y ago
On this issue I think Rand Paul has been quite consistent. He was among only a handful of Senators against the FISA Amendments Act renewal from 2012, when he proposed a "4th amendment act" that would require a warrant for all data requests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyLlXBcbjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyLlXBcbjo https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/12/why-we-should-all-care-about-senates-vote-fisa-amendments-act-warrantless-domestic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/12/why-we-should-all-care... He's been against the Patriot Act as well: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/rand-paul-vs-the-patriot-act/71323/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/rand-pau... He filibustered John Brennan's CIA nomination and the idea that the US government can assassinate an American with drones: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/rand-paul-filibuster-john-brennan-cia-nominee-88507.html http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/rand-paul-filibuster-j... And he supports abolishing the TSA: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2012/0504/Sen.-Rand-Paul-knows-how-to-fix-the-TSA-end-it http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2012/0504/Sen.... This guy has been preaching this stuff for years and voted like that as well. Obama on the other hand came out of nowhere, told us nice things we wanted to hear and then did a 180 when he became president. Oh, and just before he won his first mandate he voted for the Patriot Act's renewal while still in Senate - all while he was promoting an "end to illegal mass surveillance" in his campaign. I'm just saying, at least on this issue, he might be a little different than Obama. I would've still preferred his dad much more...but I'm not really seeing anyone fighting for this major issue. It's not a "privacy" issue...it's a liberty issue - I think that stuff used to be pretty important for Americans, no? I'm not seeing Elizabeth Warren, not seeing Bernie Sanders, nor Hillary Clinton pushing against the surveillance state from the Democratic side.
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- zak_mc_kracken 12y ago
  None of what you say contradicts anything that I said. He's not against government, he's against government when it bothers him and in favor of government when it suits him.

higherpurpose 12y ago

On this issue I think Rand Paul has been quite consistent. He was among only a handful of Senators against the FISA Amendments Act renewal from 2012, when he proposed a "4th amendment act" that would require a warrant for all data requests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyLlXBcbjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyLlXBcbjo https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/12/why-we-should-all-care-about-senates-vote-fisa-amendments-act-warrantless-domestic https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/12/why-we-should-all-care... He's been against the Patriot Act as well: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/rand-paul-vs-the-patriot-act/71323/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/rand-pau... He filibustered John Brennan's CIA nomination and the idea that the US government can assassinate an American with drones: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/rand-paul-filibuster-john-brennan-cia-nominee-88507.html http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/rand-paul-filibuster-j... And he supports abolishing the TSA: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2012/0504/Sen.-Rand-Paul-knows-how-to-fix-the-TSA-end-it http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2012/0504/Sen.... This guy has been preaching this stuff for years and voted like that as well. Obama on the other hand came out of nowhere, told us nice things we wanted to hear and then did a 180 when he became president. Oh, and just before he won his first mandate he voted for the Patriot Act's renewal while still in Senate - all while he was promoting an "end to illegal mass surveillance" in his campaign. I'm just saying, at least on this issue, he might be a little different than Obama. I would've still preferred his dad much more...but I'm not really seeing anyone fighting for this major issue. It's not a "privacy" issue...it's a liberty issue - I think that stuff used to be pretty important for Americans, no? I'm not seeing Elizabeth Warren, not seeing Bernie Sanders, nor Hillary Clinton pushing against the surveillance state from the Democratic side.

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zak_mc_kracken 12y ago
None of what you say contradicts anything that I said. He's not against government, he's against government when it bothers him and in favor of government when it suits him.