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> I take this video as evidence that everyone in UNIX-land dislikes systemd greatly, and the (Red Hat/Debian/Arch) Linux guys are the odd men out. "the odd men

by riquito 12y ago

> I take this video as evidence that everyone in UNIX-land dislikes systemd greatly, and the (Red Hat/Debian/Arch) Linux guys are the odd men out. "the odd men out" are the one with the the highest user base (I suppose you know that Ubuntu is moving to SystemD too)

anonbanker 12y ago
lots of tumors end up being larger than the host. I don't see how that makes anything I said any less relevant. if RH/Debian/Arch move away from POSIX and GNU, they aren't Unix anymore. with the RPC GPL/LGPL backdoor, they're barely free software.
- jdub 12y ago
  Linux systems are barely POSIX, were never UNIX, and systemd doesn't have anything to do with POSIX. Windows has a crummy POSIX layer, and it's not like it ships sysvinit. Be serious.
  - anonbanker 12y ago
    it's amazing how you can be misleading, while telling the complete truth. are you a lawyer? Linux systems are quite POSIX. the whole point of GNU was to be compatible. They were never unix, because they weren't of BSD or AT&T heritage. true, and completely irrelevant. systemd absolutely hates POSIX, and is actively steering Linux away from it. I have no idea why windows even applies here. If you are comparing Windows to systemd, you may be correct, but both are abhorrent to OpenBSD users.
    - jdub 12y ago
      md absolutely hates POSIX, and is actively steering Linux away from it. Remember maths class? Show your working. systemd has fuck all to do with POSIX. If anyone still cared about POSIX, I'm sure you could waste money to get a systemd platform fully certified. (By the way, OpenBSD is about as POSIX compliant as Linux in that neither are particularly concerned about it.)
      - anonbanker 12y ago
        so, you're agreeing with me that Lennart, and therefore systemd, hates POSIX? or are you disagreeing, and saying that, if tested for compliance, systemd would pass? can you please show me where OpenBSD shows as much hatred of POSIX compliance as LP (or even Linux) does?
        jdub 12y ago
        I'm saying it's irrelevant. (Plus, you have yet to point out anything about POSIX that is incompatible with systemd, or vice versa. Go away now, troll.)
        anonbanker 12y ago
        so, I'm confused; are you calling me a troll because you can't state that systemd would pass POSIX compliance, or because you agree that Lennart doesn't like POSIX at all? Do you even use OpenBSD?
        jdub 12y ago
        Like I said: If anyone still cared about POSIX, I'm sure you could waste money to get a systemd platform fully certified. Again, show your work.
        anonbanker 12y ago
        show your work. You state it again as if it meant something. But back to my question: you're stating that, if tested, systemd would pass POSIX compliance. that's very interesting, and I'd like to see how you came to that conclusion. care to elaborate?
        jdub 12y ago
        You initiated the claim about systemd and POSIX, as if it were relevant. Show your work. (I've just looked at your history of comments. Discussion over.)
    - cmurf 12y ago
      OS X is fully POSIX compliant. Its launchd is rather more similar to systemd, having abandoned startup scripts 10 years ago.
      - anonbanker 12y ago
        launchd has various levels of support in FreeBSD, and less in Net/OpenBSD. However, I've never heard a single positive thing mentioned about systemd from the BSD community, despite it's apparent similarities to launchd. Apparently, BSD people like Apple more than Red Hat. I don't blame them, personally.

by riquito 12y ago

anonbanker 12y ago

lots of tumors end up being larger than the host. I don't see how that makes anything I said any less relevant. if RH/Debian/Arch move away from POSIX and GNU, they aren't Unix anymore. with the RPC GPL/LGPL backdoor, they're barely free software.

jdub 12y ago
Linux systems are barely POSIX, were never UNIX, and systemd doesn't have anything to do with POSIX. Windows has a crummy POSIX layer, and it's not like it ships sysvinit. Be serious.
- anonbanker 12y ago
  it's amazing how you can be misleading, while telling the complete truth. are you a lawyer? Linux systems are quite POSIX. the whole point of GNU was to be compatible. They were never unix, because they weren't of BSD or AT&T heritage. true, and completely irrelevant. systemd absolutely hates POSIX, and is actively steering Linux away from it. I have no idea why windows even applies here. If you are comparing Windows to systemd, you may be correct, but both are abhorrent to OpenBSD users.
  - jdub 12y ago
    md absolutely hates POSIX, and is actively steering Linux away from it. Remember maths class? Show your working. systemd has fuck all to do with POSIX. If anyone still cared about POSIX, I'm sure you could waste money to get a systemd platform fully certified. (By the way, OpenBSD is about as POSIX compliant as Linux in that neither are particularly concerned about it.)
    - anonbanker 12y ago
      so, you're agreeing with me that Lennart, and therefore systemd, hates POSIX? or are you disagreeing, and saying that, if tested for compliance, systemd would pass? can you please show me where OpenBSD shows as much hatred of POSIX compliance as LP (or even Linux) does?
      - jdub 12y ago
        I'm saying it's irrelevant. (Plus, you have yet to point out anything about POSIX that is incompatible with systemd, or vice versa. Go away now, troll.)
        anonbanker 12y ago
        so, I'm confused; are you calling me a troll because you can't state that systemd would pass POSIX compliance, or because you agree that Lennart doesn't like POSIX at all? Do you even use OpenBSD?
        jdub 12y ago
        Like I said: If anyone still cared about POSIX, I'm sure you could waste money to get a systemd platform fully certified. Again, show your work.
        anonbanker 12y ago
        show your work. You state it again as if it meant something. But back to my question: you're stating that, if tested, systemd would pass POSIX compliance. that's very interesting, and I'd like to see how you came to that conclusion. care to elaborate?
        jdub 12y ago
        You initiated the claim about systemd and POSIX, as if it were relevant. Show your work. (I've just looked at your history of comments. Discussion over.)
  - cmurf 12y ago
    OS X is fully POSIX compliant. Its launchd is rather more similar to systemd, having abandoned startup scripts 10 years ago.
    - anonbanker 12y ago
      launchd has various levels of support in FreeBSD, and less in Net/OpenBSD. However, I've never heard a single positive thing mentioned about systemd from the BSD community, despite it's apparent similarities to launchd. Apparently, BSD people like Apple more than Red Hat. I don't blame them, personally.