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> Your statement to the contrary is flatly false Apple themselves only rate the watch for 18 hours. So you're contending that Apple is intentionally listing a

> Your statement to the contrary is flatly false Apple themselves only rate the watch for 18 hours. So you're contending that Apple is intentionally listing a battery 50% lower than what the device can actually do? ....or it can't be relied to remain useful for a continuous 24 hour period. So where's the flatly false statement here? >Sleep tracking is certainly valuable, but why is the watch the right hardware for that? Many people don't like wearing watches in bed, and sleep tracking can be done with much simpler hardware than the Apple Watch. Why not do it using a $30 headless sensor instead? Sleep tracking is just a single, obvious use where it makes a difference now. What I'm contending is that wearables that require the use to actively think about battery life aren't going to live up to the potential of the devices as a class. I went absurd with the flying car thing because I feel like you're being kind of ridiculous here, but electric cars actually do highlight exactly what I'm talking about. Electric cars didn't become viable for the vast majority of people until ranges got to the point that they could easily exceed the distances people travel on a regular basis. And because you still don't seem to understand what I mean by "extremely short" and want to keep harping on it - if the rumor mill thought an electric car was going to launch with a 5 mile range and it launched with a 10 mile range, it might be exceeding expectations, but I'd still call that "extremely short" and feel it worthy of criticism. It may be better than what people were expecting and it may even do things its competitors don't, but it's still a fundamental problem. I will say this again: I'm interested in wearables, I think they have a ton of potential, and I think you're insane if you don't think 18 hours of battery life drastically limits their realistic utility.

gress 11y ago
You said originally: > The fact that the Apple Watch can't be relied on to remain useful for even a single 24 hour day... This statement is false. Apple's 18 hour battery claim clearly supports that, because the vast majority of humans sleep for 6 hours or more. In your reply you added the word 'continuous' to your earlier statement to create: "...or it can't be relied on to remain useful for a continuous 24 hour period." That's not what you originally stated, and it's irrelevant anyway because humans don't need 24 hours of continuous use from devices. Charging a device every night while you sleep requires you to actively think about battery life less than a device that only needs to be on some nights because for those devices you have to think about whether to charge them or not. Of course you can always mitigate this by charging every night. Therefore, if not having to think about battery life is an important criterion, the Apple watch does live up to the potential of the devices as a class every bit as much as a device with longer battery life. Of course a device with longer battery life does have advantages - e.g. Going camping away from power for a few days, etc. but this just illustrates the point that longer battery life supports less common use cases, and is without question not a 'fundamental problem'. Lack of support for uncommon use cases cannot be reasonably said to 'drastically limit realistic utility'. Like I said, I agree that longer battery life provides an improvement, but it is a marginal one. Claims like 'extremely short' and 'drastically limited' are exaggerations.
- commandar 11y ago
  >Charging a device every night while you sleep requires you to actively think about battery life less than a device that only needs to be on some nights because for those devices you have to think about whether to charge them or not. Of course you can always mitigate this by charging every night. >Therefore, if not having to think about battery life is an important criterion, the Apple watch does live up to the potential of the devices as a class every bit as much as a device with longer battery life. Okay, I concede. You win the mental olympics gymnastics competition.

gress 11y ago

You said originally: > The fact that the Apple Watch can't be relied on to remain useful for even a single 24 hour day... This statement is false. Apple's 18 hour battery claim clearly supports that, because the vast majority of humans sleep for 6 hours or more. In your reply you added the word 'continuous' to your earlier statement to create: "...or it can't be relied on to remain useful for a continuous 24 hour period." That's not what you originally stated, and it's irrelevant anyway because humans don't need 24 hours of continuous use from devices. Charging a device every night while you sleep requires you to actively think about battery life less than a device that only needs to be on some nights because for those devices you have to think about whether to charge them or not. Of course you can always mitigate this by charging every night. Therefore, if not having to think about battery life is an important criterion, the Apple watch does live up to the potential of the devices as a class every bit as much as a device with longer battery life. Of course a device with longer battery life does have advantages - e.g. Going camping away from power for a few days, etc. but this just illustrates the point that longer battery life supports less common use cases, and is without question not a 'fundamental problem'. Lack of support for uncommon use cases cannot be reasonably said to 'drastically limit realistic utility'. Like I said, I agree that longer battery life provides an improvement, but it is a marginal one. Claims like 'extremely short' and 'drastically limited' are exaggerations.

commandar 11y ago
>Charging a device every night while you sleep requires you to actively think about battery life less than a device that only needs to be on some nights because for those devices you have to think about whether to charge them or not. Of course you can always mitigate this by charging every night. >Therefore, if not having to think about battery life is an important criterion, the Apple watch does live up to the potential of the devices as a class every bit as much as a device with longer battery life. Okay, I concede. You win the mental olympics gymnastics competition.