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Fuck the lawful orders of abusive, child-torturers. Lawful != Ethical

by rantanplan 12y ago

oh_sigh 12y ago
You sound reasonable.
- rantanplan 12y ago
  I am sorry for not having a huge hard-on for men in uniform that drag teens, by tasers and pepper sprays, out of their cars while they're not being a threat to anyone. For what reason? Ah right, he smelled pot. Bravo officer of the law! Everyone feels safer now. His family would be so proud. This looks like something I'd see in a movie about a 3rd world country with a corrupt government and a police state. Not in a country that touts democracy, freedom, justice and equality.
  - oh_sigh 12y ago
    He didn't need to be dragged out - he was asked multiple times to get out, and it was only after he flailed around and resisted the officers orders that he was maced/tased. And guess what: maybe the reason the person didn't want to get out of the car, and resisted a lawful order multiple times is because he actually had pot on him, and he had enough to be classified as intent to sell. Which is exactly the case. I'm fine with you if you think that marijuana laws are bullshit(I'd be on your side then), but while they are on the book, it would be good if officers actually enforce the laws that they are sworn under an oath to enforce.
    - rantanplan 12y ago
      Yeah so it's not going to get through your thick skull that he's a teenager. A stupid teenager. We don't care if you weren't arrested when you were at his age, maybe you were clever. I was never arrested either. The problem is that societies are built to protect the clever and stupid people alike. Societies are not built to enforce and uphold the letter of the law. Only lawyers and misanthropes care about that. If the laws lead to videos like the one in this article, then the laws need to change. People who see this video and don't feel sick to their stomachs are sociopaths. No way around it, sorry. And I guess I have to sleep at night knowing I walk on the same planet with people like you. Well that's life I guess. In any case in a country where it has this problem http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/ http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people..., if its citizens don't understand that less(not more) police is the solution, then I guess you can talk about your precious fucking law and I can just continue to feel sick to my stomach.
      - oh_sigh 12y ago
        > The problem is that societies are built to protect the clever and stupid people alike. Sure. And police officers deserve to be protected too. How much can a person actively resist a lawful order before it's okay to mace/tase them? Traffic stops are incredibly stressful for police officers - not because they love stress, because it's very easy for a weapon to be concealed on a person and for a routine traffic stop to turn into a violent confrontation. > And I guess I have to sleep at night knowing I walk on the same planet with people like you. Well that's life I guess. Again, you sound like a really reasonable person here. > In any case in a country where it has this problem http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people... http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people..., Part of the problem here is that you have a general idea of a very big problem, and you are taking a specific instance of something and imputing that this specific instance is part of the general problem. I can agree with you that there is a general problem of police violence in the country, but I don't think that this was an actual instance of it. For example, imagine you cared very deeply about child abuse, and you thought that it was a huge problem in this country. Then, someone posts a video of a parent lightly spanking their child for bad behavior. You think that this represents the child abuse in the country and it is an outrageous act. I just see it as a light, deserved spanking. I guess that makes me a sociopath though.
        rantanplan 12y ago
        Light spanking? Please search for the dangers of tasers and cardiac arrest. Ok so you weren't a sociopath, I take it back. It didn't cross my mind you were so ignorant. I liked that about the "specific instance of something". That's always the excuse "this was an isolated and unrelated incindent!" Yeah right. No this was police brutality just not taken in the extreme(i.e. not killing). You don't build societies by tasing kids, I can guarantee you that much.
        oh_sigh 12y ago
        > Please search for the dangers of tasers and cardiac arrest. It was an analogy. I was not comparing a taser to a spanking.

Fuck the lawful orders of abusive, child-torturers. Lawful != Ethical

oh_sigh 12y ago

You sound reasonable.

rantanplan 12y ago
I am sorry for not having a huge hard-on for men in uniform that drag teens, by tasers and pepper sprays, out of their cars while they're not being a threat to anyone. For what reason? Ah right, he smelled pot. Bravo officer of the law! Everyone feels safer now. His family would be so proud. This looks like something I'd see in a movie about a 3rd world country with a corrupt government and a police state. Not in a country that touts democracy, freedom, justice and equality.
- oh_sigh 12y ago
  He didn't need to be dragged out - he was asked multiple times to get out, and it was only after he flailed around and resisted the officers orders that he was maced/tased. And guess what: maybe the reason the person didn't want to get out of the car, and resisted a lawful order multiple times is because he actually had pot on him, and he had enough to be classified as intent to sell. Which is exactly the case. I'm fine with you if you think that marijuana laws are bullshit(I'd be on your side then), but while they are on the book, it would be good if officers actually enforce the laws that they are sworn under an oath to enforce.
  - rantanplan 12y ago
    Yeah so it's not going to get through your thick skull that he's a teenager. A stupid teenager. We don't care if you weren't arrested when you were at his age, maybe you were clever. I was never arrested either. The problem is that societies are built to protect the clever and stupid people alike. Societies are not built to enforce and uphold the letter of the law. Only lawyers and misanthropes care about that. If the laws lead to videos like the one in this article, then the laws need to change. People who see this video and don't feel sick to their stomachs are sociopaths. No way around it, sorry. And I guess I have to sleep at night knowing I walk on the same planet with people like you. Well that's life I guess. In any case in a country where it has this problem http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/ http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people..., if its citizens don't understand that less(not more) police is the solution, then I guess you can talk about your precious fucking law and I can just continue to feel sick to my stomach.
    - oh_sigh 12y ago
      > The problem is that societies are built to protect the clever and stupid people alike. Sure. And police officers deserve to be protected too. How much can a person actively resist a lawful order before it's okay to mace/tase them? Traffic stops are incredibly stressful for police officers - not because they love stress, because it's very easy for a weapon to be concealed on a person and for a routine traffic stop to turn into a violent confrontation. > And I guess I have to sleep at night knowing I walk on the same planet with people like you. Well that's life I guess. Again, you sound like a really reasonable person here. > In any case in a country where it has this problem http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people... http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people..., Part of the problem here is that you have a general idea of a very big problem, and you are taking a specific instance of something and imputing that this specific instance is part of the general problem. I can agree with you that there is a general problem of police violence in the country, but I don't think that this was an actual instance of it. For example, imagine you cared very deeply about child abuse, and you thought that it was a huge problem in this country. Then, someone posts a video of a parent lightly spanking their child for bad behavior. You think that this represents the child abuse in the country and it is an outrageous act. I just see it as a light, deserved spanking. I guess that makes me a sociopath though.
      - rantanplan 12y ago
        Light spanking? Please search for the dangers of tasers and cardiac arrest. Ok so you weren't a sociopath, I take it back. It didn't cross my mind you were so ignorant. I liked that about the "specific instance of something". That's always the excuse "this was an isolated and unrelated incindent!" Yeah right. No this was police brutality just not taken in the extreme(i.e. not killing). You don't build societies by tasing kids, I can guarantee you that much.
        oh_sigh 12y ago
        > Please search for the dangers of tasers and cardiac arrest. It was an analogy. I was not comparing a taser to a spanking.