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GNOME 3.16 on OpenBSD [video]

56 points by fcambus 12y ago

brynet 12y ago
This video was created by the GNOME maintainer for OpenBSD. https://twitter.com/ajacoutot/status/586957762170597376 https://twitter.com/ajacoutot/status/586957762170597376
javert 12y ago
Is there something novel here that I am missing?
- deleted 12y ago
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- xiaq 12y ago
  It just happens that many a person gets bored and decides to watch a random desktop screencast, a fun with a history as long as reading DistroWatch articles. And OpenBSD (OPENBSD MAN!!) is a great excuse to make this fun appear less stupid than it really is. :) EDIT: After actually watching this video, there is something genuinely interesting in it: the applications to manage hardware and user accounts work, so the porting team must have put some effort into this. The rest is, supposedly, just the same as in Linux...
- jstanek 12y ago
  GNOME has had systemd as a hard dependency since 2012: it uses systemd-logind and a few other systemd services for its basic functionality. systemd is only available on Linux systems, therefore it's a pretty great achievement to get it running on OpenBSD.
  - brynet 12y ago
    OpenBSD's port of GNOME3 does not rely on systemd at all.
    - Narishma 12y ago
      I don't think he said otherwise.
      - jdub 12y ago
        The poster said "hard dependency". This is false.
        yarrel 12y ago
        It's true. I love unsupported assertion day!
        bandrami 12y ago
        The unpatched GNOME post 3.12 or so does have a hard dependency, which is why platforms like OpenBSD or Slackware have to patch. If it requires a patch to work around, it's a hard dependency.
  - javert 12y ago
    Thanks. Just the kind of explanation I was looking for.
  - peveechi 12y ago
    That sounds a bit misleading. I remember running Gnome 3.2/3.4 in 2012, while still using SysV init. I'm not sure whether logind or ConsoleKit was used, but the init system (what most people associate with the name "systemd") was definitely not the one from systemd.
Xyzodiac 12y ago
I believe the significance is that Gnome 3.X+ relies on systemd? Though I may be mistaken.
- agumonkey 12y ago
  My thoughts exactly. I'd love an article about how difficult (if it was at all) to port and run on BSD.
  - jdub 12y ago
    GNOME 3.16 optionally uses systemd interfaces. It still includes support for pre-systemd ways of doing things.
    - anonbanker 12y ago
      your comment is disingenuous. if GNOME still included support for pre-systemd ways of doing things: 1) why was this video even made to celebrate such a port, if it was trivial? 2) perhaps you can show us where the systemd interfaces were merely "optional" in GNOME?
    - bandrami 12y ago
      Well, "optionally" in the sense that you can non-trivially excise and shim your way into a working system (the patches for 3.14 on Slackware, at least, are non-trivial and I'd imagine it's even more invasive on OpenBSD which doesn't have, for instance, /proc or /sys). Personally, I can't stand GNOME 3.X so I haven't looked too closely, but even just a couple of versions ago OpenBSD could only do "fallback".
ikonst 12y ago
How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD?
- peveechi 12y ago
  This isn't an anime channel.
anonbanker 12y ago
I take this video as evidence that everyone in UNIX-land dislikes systemd greatly, and the (Red Hat/Debian/Arch) Linux guys are the odd men out.
- deleted 12y ago
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- riquito 12y ago
  > I take this video as evidence that everyone in UNIX-land dislikes systemd greatly, and the (Red Hat/Debian/Arch) Linux guys are the odd men out. "the odd men out" are the one with the the highest user base (I suppose you know that Ubuntu is moving to SystemD too)
  - anonbanker 12y ago
    lots of tumors end up being larger than the host. I don't see how that makes anything I said any less relevant. if RH/Debian/Arch move away from POSIX and GNU, they aren't Unix anymore. with the RPC GPL/LGPL backdoor, they're barely free software.
    - jdub 12y ago
      Linux systems are barely POSIX, were never UNIX, and systemd doesn't have anything to do with POSIX. Windows has a crummy POSIX layer, and it's not like it ships sysvinit. Be serious.
      - anonbanker 12y ago
        it's amazing how you can be misleading, while telling the complete truth. are you a lawyer? Linux systems are quite POSIX. the whole point of GNU was to be compatible. They were never unix, because they weren't of BSD or AT&T heritage. true, and completely irrelevant. systemd absolutely hates POSIX, and is actively steering Linux away from it. I have no idea why windows even applies here. If you are comparing Windows to systemd, you may be correct, but both are abhorrent to OpenBSD users.
zachberger 12y ago
On a side note Safari on desktop and mobile do not support .webm
- jlgaddis 12y ago
  Safari doesn't support OpenBSD either.
- symlinkk 12y ago
  what a weird thing to not support.

56 points by fcambus 12y ago

This video was created by the GNOME maintainer for OpenBSD. https://twitter.com/ajacoutot/status/586957762170597376 https://twitter.com/ajacoutot/status/586957762170597376

javert 12y ago

Is there something novel here that I am missing?

deleted 12y ago
[deleted]
xiaq 12y ago
It just happens that many a person gets bored and decides to watch a random desktop screencast, a fun with a history as long as reading DistroWatch articles. And OpenBSD (OPENBSD MAN!!) is a great excuse to make this fun appear less stupid than it really is. :) EDIT: After actually watching this video, there is something genuinely interesting in it: the applications to manage hardware and user accounts work, so the porting team must have put some effort into this. The rest is, supposedly, just the same as in Linux...
jstanek 12y ago
GNOME has had systemd as a hard dependency since 2012: it uses systemd-logind and a few other systemd services for its basic functionality. systemd is only available on Linux systems, therefore it's a pretty great achievement to get it running on OpenBSD.
- brynet 12y ago
  OpenBSD's port of GNOME3 does not rely on systemd at all.
  - Narishma 12y ago
    I don't think he said otherwise.
    - jdub 12y ago
      The poster said "hard dependency". This is false.
      - yarrel 12y ago
        It's true. I love unsupported assertion day!
      - bandrami 12y ago
        The unpatched GNOME post 3.12 or so does have a hard dependency, which is why platforms like OpenBSD or Slackware have to patch. If it requires a patch to work around, it's a hard dependency.
- javert 12y ago
  Thanks. Just the kind of explanation I was looking for.
- peveechi 12y ago
  That sounds a bit misleading. I remember running Gnome 3.2/3.4 in 2012, while still using SysV init. I'm not sure whether logind or ConsoleKit was used, but the init system (what most people associate with the name "systemd") was definitely not the one from systemd.

Xyzodiac 12y ago

I believe the significance is that Gnome 3.X+ relies on systemd? Though I may be mistaken.

agumonkey 12y ago
My thoughts exactly. I'd love an article about how difficult (if it was at all) to port and run on BSD.
- jdub 12y ago
  GNOME 3.16 optionally uses systemd interfaces. It still includes support for pre-systemd ways of doing things.
  - anonbanker 12y ago
    your comment is disingenuous. if GNOME still included support for pre-systemd ways of doing things: 1) why was this video even made to celebrate such a port, if it was trivial? 2) perhaps you can show us where the systemd interfaces were merely "optional" in GNOME?
  - bandrami 12y ago
    Well, "optionally" in the sense that you can non-trivially excise and shim your way into a working system (the patches for 3.14 on Slackware, at least, are non-trivial and I'd imagine it's even more invasive on OpenBSD which doesn't have, for instance, /proc or /sys). Personally, I can't stand GNOME 3.X so I haven't looked too closely, but even just a couple of versions ago OpenBSD could only do "fallback".

ikonst 12y ago

How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD?

peveechi 12y ago
This isn't an anime channel.

anonbanker 12y ago

I take this video as evidence that everyone in UNIX-land dislikes systemd greatly, and the (Red Hat/Debian/Arch) Linux guys are the odd men out.

deleted 12y ago
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riquito 12y ago
> I take this video as evidence that everyone in UNIX-land dislikes systemd greatly, and the (Red Hat/Debian/Arch) Linux guys are the odd men out. "the odd men out" are the one with the the highest user base (I suppose you know that Ubuntu is moving to SystemD too)
- anonbanker 12y ago
  lots of tumors end up being larger than the host. I don't see how that makes anything I said any less relevant. if RH/Debian/Arch move away from POSIX and GNU, they aren't Unix anymore. with the RPC GPL/LGPL backdoor, they're barely free software.
  - jdub 12y ago
    Linux systems are barely POSIX, were never UNIX, and systemd doesn't have anything to do with POSIX. Windows has a crummy POSIX layer, and it's not like it ships sysvinit. Be serious.
    - anonbanker 12y ago
      it's amazing how you can be misleading, while telling the complete truth. are you a lawyer? Linux systems are quite POSIX. the whole point of GNU was to be compatible. They were never unix, because they weren't of BSD or AT&T heritage. true, and completely irrelevant. systemd absolutely hates POSIX, and is actively steering Linux away from it. I have no idea why windows even applies here. If you are comparing Windows to systemd, you may be correct, but both are abhorrent to OpenBSD users.

zachberger 12y ago

On a side note Safari on desktop and mobile do not support .webm

jlgaddis 12y ago
Safari doesn't support OpenBSD either.
symlinkk 12y ago
what a weird thing to not support.