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The problem with this viewpoint is that it's horribly ignorant, I'm sorry I mean no offense by that. It's just that if you are unfamiliar with farming and hunti

The problem with this viewpoint is that it's horribly ignorant, I'm sorry I mean no offense by that. It's just that if you are unfamiliar with farming and hunting it might be easy to draw those kind of conclusions. The fact is that almost universally hunting is a more ethical form of gathering meat than farming. There are certainly unethical hunters but far FAR more care deeply about the animals and there well being. By far the most committed and caring ecologists that I've meet, I've volunteered for over 10 years for various ecological causes, have mostly been hunters/fishermen.

kbenson 12y ago
> he problem with this viewpoint is that it's horribly ignorant It may be, but please justify that statement. I think I've outlined in depth my point of view farther down multiple of these responses, and while obviously I don't think I was being ignorant, it's not clear to me that you are responding to an actual point of mine, or whether you are making assumptions as to my reasoning and responding to that. > The fact is that almost universally hunting is a more ethical form of gathering meat than farming. What type of farming? Is it more ethical than traditional farming? Who says this discussion is just about gathering meat. There's also the consideration of managing a deer population. > By far the most committed and caring ecologists that I've meet ... have mostly been hunters/fishermen. Did I make some argument that hunters were bad people? I don't remember that, and if it was implied, it was accidental. This topic touches on a few highly charged areas of discussion; hunting, farming, animal population/ecosystem management. People have strong points of view on this, and have an idea of what their opponents already believe. I think I deserve the benefit of a doubt before being labeled with specific beliefs.
- Retra 12y ago
  In most places, hunting season tends to be used as local animal population control. If you don't hunt the animals for meat, they are liable to become roadkill. It becomes a danger to people to have animal populations grow unrestricted. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have cities and highways everywhere, but we're pretty much past that.
  - kbenson 12y ago
    Which doesn't really effect my feelings towards those who are upset they can't hunt a location they were previously able to. If the hunting is beneficial and there's not a better solution, the ability to hunt there may return. If it's about people's feeling of entitlement, them my original assessment stands.
    - Retra 12y ago
      You know, I have never heard someone use the word 'entitlement' in a meaningful and productive manner. It is pointlessly dismissive.

kbenson 12y ago

> he problem with this viewpoint is that it's horribly ignorant It may be, but please justify that statement. I think I've outlined in depth my point of view farther down multiple of these responses, and while obviously I don't think I was being ignorant, it's not clear to me that you are responding to an actual point of mine, or whether you are making assumptions as to my reasoning and responding to that. > The fact is that almost universally hunting is a more ethical form of gathering meat than farming. What type of farming? Is it more ethical than traditional farming? Who says this discussion is just about gathering meat. There's also the consideration of managing a deer population. > By far the most committed and caring ecologists that I've meet ... have mostly been hunters/fishermen. Did I make some argument that hunters were bad people? I don't remember that, and if it was implied, it was accidental. This topic touches on a few highly charged areas of discussion; hunting, farming, animal population/ecosystem management. People have strong points of view on this, and have an idea of what their opponents already believe. I think I deserve the benefit of a doubt before being labeled with specific beliefs.

Retra 12y ago
In most places, hunting season tends to be used as local animal population control. If you don't hunt the animals for meat, they are liable to become roadkill. It becomes a danger to people to have animal populations grow unrestricted. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have cities and highways everywhere, but we're pretty much past that.
- kbenson 12y ago
  Which doesn't really effect my feelings towards those who are upset they can't hunt a location they were previously able to. If the hunting is beneficial and there's not a better solution, the ability to hunt there may return. If it's about people's feeling of entitlement, them my original assessment stands.
  - Retra 12y ago
    You know, I have never heard someone use the word 'entitlement' in a meaningful and productive manner. It is pointlessly dismissive.