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We need our jobs. The rich may play with their robots however much they want, but I will not have my job take away from me. Basic income or what not, it is une

We need our jobs. The rich may play with their robots however much they want, but I will not have my job take away from me. Basic income or what not, it is unemployment. You may want to spend your life sleeping 15 hours a day, binge watching TV rest of the time, but I choose to be gainfully employed. Do not take that choice away.

imgabe 12y ago
Here's a fun fact: You can do productive things even if nobody threatens to take away your livelihood if you don't! Maybe you need someone looking over your shoulder to tell you what to do all the time. Many of us don't. I'm sure we can get a robot to periodically check in on you and yell at you if you aren't doing something productive.
PopsiclePete 12y ago
I won't spend my time watching TV. I have at least 3 solo projects I could be working on. One of them could be the next-biggest-thing since Facebook, in theory. Small chance, but either way, I'm not sleeping 15 hrs a day. Are you telling me that the only way you to do anything productive in your life is a constant axe hanging over your head? If your wife tells you to empty the dishwasher, does she have to threaten you with divorce at the same time?
s73v3r 12y ago
Because that's totally the only thing to be able to do. There's no pursuing of personal interests, no other hobbies that one can engage in. It's just nothing but watching tv and oversleeping.
wazoox 12y ago
You realize that "being employed" very explicitly means "being used for some purpose", i.e. is a only a slight enhancement over "being mercilessly exploited". I'm not employed (I work for myself) and I won't stand being employed ever again.
sdenton4 12y ago
Having spent a looong time as a grad student and postdoc, I can assure you that people can work quite hard without the threat of job loss hanging over their heads. There's an argument to be made that the job structure provides direction to someone's work, but there's also a lot to be said for allowing more room for creativity, and freedom of collaboration that you don't get in the current structure.
kingkawn 12y ago
You don't have to do nothing, you just no longer would be forced to do something.
Kluny 12y ago
I don't want to sleep 15 hours a day or watch TV. Last time I was unemployed (3 months following graduation from my college program), I was so busy playing bike polo, volunteering at the local bike co-op, putting on races and tournaments, and swimming at the lake with friends that I didn't even have time to catch up on the TV I missed during exams. I don't know who the hell has time to sleep 15 hours a day and watch tv when there's so much STUFF to do in the world! I guess it's a personal choice. I'm pretty good at keeping busy without a boss telling me what to do though.
- undersuit 12y ago
  >I guess it's a personal choice. Bingo! It's going to be so depressing if we don't get basic income because people are worried about what about people will do with it, and (horror)disagree with those choices!

imgabe 12y ago

Here's a fun fact: You can do productive things even if nobody threatens to take away your livelihood if you don't! Maybe you need someone looking over your shoulder to tell you what to do all the time. Many of us don't. I'm sure we can get a robot to periodically check in on you and yell at you if you aren't doing something productive.

PopsiclePete 12y ago

I won't spend my time watching TV. I have at least 3 solo projects I could be working on. One of them could be the next-biggest-thing since Facebook, in theory. Small chance, but either way, I'm not sleeping 15 hrs a day. Are you telling me that the only way you to do anything productive in your life is a constant axe hanging over your head? If your wife tells you to empty the dishwasher, does she have to threaten you with divorce at the same time?

s73v3r 12y ago

Because that's totally the only thing to be able to do. There's no pursuing of personal interests, no other hobbies that one can engage in. It's just nothing but watching tv and oversleeping.

wazoox 12y ago

You realize that "being employed" very explicitly means "being used for some purpose", i.e. is a only a slight enhancement over "being mercilessly exploited". I'm not employed (I work for myself) and I won't stand being employed ever again.

sdenton4 12y ago

Having spent a looong time as a grad student and postdoc, I can assure you that people can work quite hard without the threat of job loss hanging over their heads. There's an argument to be made that the job structure provides direction to someone's work, but there's also a lot to be said for allowing more room for creativity, and freedom of collaboration that you don't get in the current structure.

kingkawn 12y ago

You don't have to do nothing, you just no longer would be forced to do something.

Kluny 12y ago

I don't want to sleep 15 hours a day or watch TV. Last time I was unemployed (3 months following graduation from my college program), I was so busy playing bike polo, volunteering at the local bike co-op, putting on races and tournaments, and swimming at the lake with friends that I didn't even have time to catch up on the TV I missed during exams. I don't know who the hell has time to sleep 15 hours a day and watch tv when there's so much STUFF to do in the world! I guess it's a personal choice. I'm pretty good at keeping busy without a boss telling me what to do though.

undersuit 12y ago
>I guess it's a personal choice. Bingo! It's going to be so depressing if we don't get basic income because people are worried about what about people will do with it, and (horror)disagree with those choices!