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You're right about equations---but you're far from convincing me that no religion in existence could be helpful to the OP. I'm not saying I know the right path

by pc2g4d 12y ago

You're right about equations---but you're far from convincing me that no religion in existence could be helpful to the OP. I'm not saying I know the right path for this person, but claiming that such a vast and varied body of ideas, philosophies, and practices as are included in religion as a whole cannot be helpful is a vast and sweeping claim that I don't feel you've substantiated.

blueprint 12y ago
If I tell you that you haven't understood my words, would you be able to go back and try to check my meaning again? Ideas are not helpful for obtaining enlightenment, and no enlightened teacher tells others their own ideas. They only tell people 'what exists' in the world, just as it is. As it happens, there is a specific, and mandatory process which must be undergone in order to obtain enlightenment. You cannot gain enlightenment through the variety of spiritual practices promulgated by modern religions. I know this because none of them make the practitioner undergo that mandatory process. Additionally, there are no examples in the entirety of human history of people who have gained enlightenment through such practices. Philosophies? I'd like you to show me any religions which have any true philosophy in them. Philosophy means the pursuit and revelation of what exists in the world. What religion can accurately reveal what exists in the world? You've only got to find one example of a religion which has 'truth' in it. In any case, no one can learn a precise 'truth' from a religion, because truths can only be seen and verified through specific problems. As a matter of fact, every religion only hinders you from opening your eyes to the reality of the religion. I think it will be important for you to understand that. This world already contains all the teachings that we need. Every truth is in the world. So what reason do religions have to exist? There's an important reason why the true teachers in human history did not want to start any religions. Some of them were killed by religious people for telling the truth about religions. Practices? Those can be right or wrong, and to practice anything is not by any means limited to religious people. In that case, do you need to be part of a religion to perform whatever practice you refer to? If not, then it is not the religion which contributes the benefit of the practice. If so, then what practice are you referring to? If you don't want to have your knowledge verified, and you only are willing to make abstract claims, then it is not right to try to suggest your opinion to others. It's also not right to deny what someone says unless you have concrete proof –– and how much more so when it comes to such important matters as what we are discussing?
- yanonymator 12y ago
  Would you possibly be able to explain "enlightenment" to me? As far as I can tell, pretty much all of reality agrees with my understanding of it. Does that mean I'm already "enlightened"? My guess is you mean something deeper? Perhaps a self-awareness capable of formulating thought/actions to (successfully) modify ones own disposition/situation? (which I guess often means influencing other people?).
  - blueprint 12y ago
    Enlightenment means to open one's eyes to what is in reality. But the problem is that you can't confirm the degree to which you've opened your eyes. How do you verify whether you know or really do not know a given thing? How do you see and verify the precision of your eyesight? The thing is that someone's 'eyesight' (of their individual consciousness) is a function of their own individual degree of truthfulness. I hope that's understandable. In other words, how much and how precisely we can see the world is determined by how truthful we are individually. Degree of truthfulness can be defined as the degree of exactness of confirmation. For example, I might have 65% truthfulness and therefore 35% untruthfulness. But we can't tell how truthful we really are - we don't know how precisely and how closely we are able to confirm things. That's why even if we make a confirmation about something, we can't just believe our confirmation, and we have to keep checking. Through this process we can improve our own individual wisdom. And it's through wisdom that you can find the way to whatever abilities you want to have for yourself. All the ways exist in the world. It's a question of recognizing what way has the result you want and then you need the willpower to correctly practice the correct way. There are many enlightenments along the way to obtaining the supreme, perfect, final enlightenment. However it's only a totally enlightened master, i.e. the one who has opened his/her eyes completely to the world, who can tell how truthful we really are. If you really think you've obtained an enlightenment, I'd like to confirm it. You can either tell me what you can see, and then we can check it through proof, or as an alternative I can also ask you some questions about very simple terms that we learn at a young age and check through your answer what you can see.
    - yanonymator 12y ago

by pc2g4d 12y ago

blueprint 12y ago

If I tell you that you haven't understood my words, would you be able to go back and try to check my meaning again? Ideas are not helpful for obtaining enlightenment, and no enlightened teacher tells others their own ideas. They only tell people 'what exists' in the world, just as it is. As it happens, there is a specific, and mandatory process which must be undergone in order to obtain enlightenment. You cannot gain enlightenment through the variety of spiritual practices promulgated by modern religions. I know this because none of them make the practitioner undergo that mandatory process. Additionally, there are no examples in the entirety of human history of people who have gained enlightenment through such practices. Philosophies? I'd like you to show me any religions which have any true philosophy in them. Philosophy means the pursuit and revelation of what exists in the world. What religion can accurately reveal what exists in the world? You've only got to find one example of a religion which has 'truth' in it. In any case, no one can learn a precise 'truth' from a religion, because truths can only be seen and verified through specific problems. As a matter of fact, every religion only hinders you from opening your eyes to the reality of the religion. I think it will be important for you to understand that. This world already contains all the teachings that we need. Every truth is in the world. So what reason do religions have to exist? There's an important reason why the true teachers in human history did not want to start any religions. Some of them were killed by religious people for telling the truth about religions. Practices? Those can be right or wrong, and to practice anything is not by any means limited to religious people. In that case, do you need to be part of a religion to perform whatever practice you refer to? If not, then it is not the religion which contributes the benefit of the practice. If so, then what practice are you referring to? If you don't want to have your knowledge verified, and you only are willing to make abstract claims, then it is not right to try to suggest your opinion to others. It's also not right to deny what someone says unless you have concrete proof –– and how much more so when it comes to such important matters as what we are discussing?

yanonymator 12y ago
Would you possibly be able to explain "enlightenment" to me? As far as I can tell, pretty much all of reality agrees with my understanding of it. Does that mean I'm already "enlightened"? My guess is you mean something deeper? Perhaps a self-awareness capable of formulating thought/actions to (successfully) modify ones own disposition/situation? (which I guess often means influencing other people?).
- blueprint 12y ago
  Enlightenment means to open one's eyes to what is in reality. But the problem is that you can't confirm the degree to which you've opened your eyes. How do you verify whether you know or really do not know a given thing? How do you see and verify the precision of your eyesight? The thing is that someone's 'eyesight' (of their individual consciousness) is a function of their own individual degree of truthfulness. I hope that's understandable. In other words, how much and how precisely we can see the world is determined by how truthful we are individually. Degree of truthfulness can be defined as the degree of exactness of confirmation. For example, I might have 65% truthfulness and therefore 35% untruthfulness. But we can't tell how truthful we really are - we don't know how precisely and how closely we are able to confirm things. That's why even if we make a confirmation about something, we can't just believe our confirmation, and we have to keep checking. Through this process we can improve our own individual wisdom. And it's through wisdom that you can find the way to whatever abilities you want to have for yourself. All the ways exist in the world. It's a question of recognizing what way has the result you want and then you need the willpower to correctly practice the correct way. There are many enlightenments along the way to obtaining the supreme, perfect, final enlightenment. However it's only a totally enlightened master, i.e. the one who has opened his/her eyes completely to the world, who can tell how truthful we really are. If you really think you've obtained an enlightenment, I'd like to confirm it. You can either tell me what you can see, and then we can check it through proof, or as an alternative I can also ask you some questions about very simple terms that we learn at a young age and check through your answer what you can see.
  - yanonymator 12y ago