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Isn't this more an issue of class more than race, doe? Even with the argument that members of a certain race tend to belong to a certain class it doesn't chang

Isn't this more an issue of class more than race, doe? Even with the argument that members of a certain race tend to belong to a certain class it doesn't change the fact that its still inherently a class and environment issue. Like, from your post, I would say that Crew is an obscure reference for anyone living in the inner-city, not just minorities.

untog 12y ago
That would assume that race and class can be entirely separated. I'd say that they cannot.
- justathrow2k 12y ago
  But even if they cannot be separated (a conversation for another time) these questions are still difficult for anyone living in the inner city, especially those in the lower income class, not just those who are minorities, wouldn't you agree?
whybroke 12y ago
Also, although racism is quite possible, the lack of social mobility may explain why race and social class are closely related (i.e. if you inherit both race and social position we'd expect a society to look like this)
rory 12y ago
In this specific instance, it's really excluding all but the elite. I remember learning what crew was for the first time while visiting colleges, and I grew up in middle-class suburbs.
usea 12y ago
The idea is that if something negatively affects protected group(s) disproportionately, then it doesn't matter whether the mechanism by which it does so is via class -> strong race/class correlation. It's still discriminatory.
- justathrow2k 12y ago
  I don't think anything was arguing that they weren't discriminatory, or in the very least I wasn't trying to argue that. The claim was that it was discriminatory towards non-whites. I'm claiming its discriminatory to anyone regardless of race and instead its more dependent on their income level and environment they grow up in. I'm a white male but I know that personally I had no clue what Crew was during my high school years. Anecdotally, I went to school in an area where the public school population majority was, well, what we consider the minority when discussing race relations.

untog 12y ago

That would assume that race and class can be entirely separated. I'd say that they cannot.

justathrow2k 12y ago
But even if they cannot be separated (a conversation for another time) these questions are still difficult for anyone living in the inner city, especially those in the lower income class, not just those who are minorities, wouldn't you agree?

whybroke 12y ago

Also, although racism is quite possible, the lack of social mobility may explain why race and social class are closely related (i.e. if you inherit both race and social position we'd expect a society to look like this)

rory 12y ago

In this specific instance, it's really excluding all but the elite. I remember learning what crew was for the first time while visiting colleges, and I grew up in middle-class suburbs.

usea 12y ago

The idea is that if something negatively affects protected group(s) disproportionately, then it doesn't matter whether the mechanism by which it does so is via class -> strong race/class correlation. It's still discriminatory.

justathrow2k 12y ago
I don't think anything was arguing that they weren't discriminatory, or in the very least I wasn't trying to argue that. The claim was that it was discriminatory towards non-whites. I'm claiming its discriminatory to anyone regardless of race and instead its more dependent on their income level and environment they grow up in. I'm a white male but I know that personally I had no clue what Crew was during my high school years. Anecdotally, I went to school in an area where the public school population majority was, well, what we consider the minority when discussing race relations.