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A great way to both raise campaign financing and instill fear

peeters 12y ago
I'm OK with a bit of fear mongering if it means that warrantless spying actually becomes an election issue. These tactics have been used to go to war and substantially reduce individual rights; at least this is a cause I can somewhat get behind.
- godgod 12y ago
  #dickpics
- kevinnk 12y ago
  "I'm okay with the ends justifying the means when the ends are something I like."
  - Karunamon 12y ago
    Worst case scenario for this "fear mongering": People put sticky tape over / unplug their cameras. Or are you against all instances of causing people to be afraid of something on principle?
    - kevinnk 12y ago
      Fear mongering has the connotation of making people irrationally afraid for your own benefit, which, yes, I am against in all instances on principle.
      - peeters 12y ago
        If that's the definition you're working off of, so be it. I mostly agree with you. I wasn't qualifying the fear as being "irrational".
  - peeters 12y ago
    No. It depends on what the means are. In this case, "the means" are raising awareness to documented fact (that the NSA spies on its own citizens). If that causes fear, then so be it. It should cause fear, because it's scary. People should care about what their government does, and fear is one emotion that leads to caring. If history has shown anything, it's that the American electorate doesn't get invested in purely intellectual debate. They need some skin in the game.
  - MCRed 12y ago
    When those means are merely exercising free speech rights it really isn't a case of ends justifying the means because there's no need to justify. Free speech doesn't require justification. Plus they're using those free speech rights to keep people ware of a real crime that is being committed and real rights that are being violated.
13years 12y ago
I think the fear came about from people being spied on, not from the campaign. And to not fear unchecked, non transparent power is to be a bit naive.
- LordKano 12y ago
  Unless, of course, one wishes to blame the fear on Snowden's disclosures as opposed to the activity described in said disclosures.

I'm OK with a bit of fear mongering if it means that warrantless spying actually becomes an election issue. These tactics have been used to go to war and substantially reduce individual rights; at least this is a cause I can somewhat get behind.

godgod 12y ago
#dickpics
kevinnk 12y ago
"I'm okay with the ends justifying the means when the ends are something I like."
- Karunamon 12y ago
  Worst case scenario for this "fear mongering": People put sticky tape over / unplug their cameras. Or are you against all instances of causing people to be afraid of something on principle?
  - kevinnk 12y ago
    Fear mongering has the connotation of making people irrationally afraid for your own benefit, which, yes, I am against in all instances on principle.
    - peeters 12y ago
      If that's the definition you're working off of, so be it. I mostly agree with you. I wasn't qualifying the fear as being "irrational".
- peeters 12y ago
  No. It depends on what the means are. In this case, "the means" are raising awareness to documented fact (that the NSA spies on its own citizens). If that causes fear, then so be it. It should cause fear, because it's scary. People should care about what their government does, and fear is one emotion that leads to caring. If history has shown anything, it's that the American electorate doesn't get invested in purely intellectual debate. They need some skin in the game.
- MCRed 12y ago
  When those means are merely exercising free speech rights it really isn't a case of ends justifying the means because there's no need to justify. Free speech doesn't require justification. Plus they're using those free speech rights to keep people ware of a real crime that is being committed and real rights that are being violated.

13years 12y ago

I think the fear came about from people being spied on, not from the campaign. And to not fear unchecked, non transparent power is to be a bit naive.

LordKano 12y ago
Unless, of course, one wishes to blame the fear on Snowden's disclosures as opposed to the activity described in said disclosures.