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Uh, you're wrong - in the case of trained pilots, humans do have magical ever-working senses, it's called a thinking brain. More sensors that give wrong informa

Uh, you're wrong - in the case of trained pilots, humans do have magical ever-working senses, it's called a thinking brain. More sensors that give wrong information to computers only makes the problem worse. The human ability to critically think and make decisions based on experience and "doubt" are fundamental to safely dealing with a mechanical issue. While the pilots in the Air France plane crashed off the coast of Brazil because they trusted the instruments - the way a computer would behave, which you think is so trustworthy - there were other pilots who dealt with the same wrong sensory input and determined that the best course of action was to maintain flight principles...and not stall. To trust in sensors and electronics in the way you describe would get a lot more people killed. I dislike this prospect very much.

icebraining 12y ago
As far as I remember from my anatomy classes, the brain is not a sense. Experience and doubt can be programmed - that's why we have classes and training for pilots, which is the equivalent for humans. they trusted the instruments - the way a computer would behave Computers behave however we make them behave. They certainly don't need to trust the instruments if we program them not to. And that interpretation of the Air France Flight 447 is dubious to me. The instruments told the pilots what was happening (the stalling alarm sounded for almost a full minute) and they apparently ignored it, because they didn't understood how it worked - that it would stop sounding when airspeed was low enough -, not because it was faulty.
toomuchtodo 12y ago
> To trust in sensors and electronics in the way you describe would get a lot more people killed. I dislike this prospect very much. I dislike how bad humans are already at judgement, both in cars and aircraft. The sooner we automate their jobs away, the better. If a human can recognize bad sensor input, algorithms can as well, and those algorithms can deployed fleet-wide after a test/release cycle.
mdekkers 12y ago
> the pilots in the Air France plane crashed off the coast of Brazil because they trusted the instruments As far as I know, this crash was caused by erroneous human intervention. An (inexperienced) co-pilot was hanging on the flight joystick near constantly, unseen by the others on the flight-deck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Final_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Final_re...

icebraining 12y ago

As far as I remember from my anatomy classes, the brain is not a sense. Experience and doubt can be programmed - that's why we have classes and training for pilots, which is the equivalent for humans. they trusted the instruments - the way a computer would behave Computers behave however we make them behave. They certainly don't need to trust the instruments if we program them not to. And that interpretation of the Air France Flight 447 is dubious to me. The instruments told the pilots what was happening (the stalling alarm sounded for almost a full minute) and they apparently ignored it, because they didn't understood how it worked - that it would stop sounding when airspeed was low enough -, not because it was faulty.

toomuchtodo 12y ago

> To trust in sensors and electronics in the way you describe would get a lot more people killed. I dislike this prospect very much. I dislike how bad humans are already at judgement, both in cars and aircraft. The sooner we automate their jobs away, the better. If a human can recognize bad sensor input, algorithms can as well, and those algorithms can deployed fleet-wide after a test/release cycle.

mdekkers 12y ago

> the pilots in the Air France plane crashed off the coast of Brazil because they trusted the instruments As far as I know, this crash was caused by erroneous human intervention. An (inexperienced) co-pilot was hanging on the flight joystick near constantly, unseen by the others on the flight-deck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Final_report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#Final_re...