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I invested in a Microsoft ergonomic natural 4000 keyboard. Probably the best thing I ever did, now i have significantly less wrist pain at the end of the day.

I invested in a Microsoft ergonomic natural 4000 keyboard. Probably the best thing I ever did, now i have significantly less wrist pain at the end of the day. It did take a bit of getting used to though, but not that much, only a day or so. Anyway, I used to have an old mechanical keyboard. Sure it made a nice click, but that's about it, I don't really get the whole "mechanical keyboards are the best" thing

skwirl 12y ago
I'm completely with you. I bought a Das Keyboard a couple of years ago that I ended up sending back after a week. It did absolutely nothing for me and had some quality issues anyway. I bought a Natural 4000 keyboard a couple of months ago and quickly became a convert. I've never had any wrist pain issues but it's still just a lot more comfortable than "normal" keyboards, which now feel awkward.
- technomancy 12y ago
  Luckily mechanical switches and ergonomic layouts aren't mutually exclusive. IMO you can get a lot more comfortable than the MS Natural by ditching the archaic row-staggering for a more finger-friendly vertical stagger.
  - mamcx 12y ago
    No? Where are mech+ergo in the market? I only find BYOD in hacker sites and perhaps one from a company (don't remember the name), but is smallish and cost to much for me. BTW, I have used Natural keyboards from the original model!, so the only thing that could me make change is ergo+mech, not just mech...
    - technomancy 12y ago
      Quality isn't cheap; this is true across the board. There are a bunch of expensive ergo mech boards though: * Kinesis Advantage, Maltron (the originals) * Truly Ergonomic (http://trulyergonomic.com/ http://trulyergonomic.com/) * Infinity Ergodox (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_open https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_ope...) * Atreus (http://atreus.technomancy.us http://atreus.technomancy.us disclaimer: I run this site) * Ergodox EZ (http://ergodox-ez.com/ http://ergodox-ez.com/) * Keyboard.io (http://keyboard.io http://keyboard.io still in preproduction) * Axios (http://axios.io http://axios.io still in preproduction)
      - mamcx 12y ago
        Truly Ergonomic look like is the only ready to use, without extra hacking.

skwirl 12y ago

I'm completely with you. I bought a Das Keyboard a couple of years ago that I ended up sending back after a week. It did absolutely nothing for me and had some quality issues anyway. I bought a Natural 4000 keyboard a couple of months ago and quickly became a convert. I've never had any wrist pain issues but it's still just a lot more comfortable than "normal" keyboards, which now feel awkward.

technomancy 12y ago
Luckily mechanical switches and ergonomic layouts aren't mutually exclusive. IMO you can get a lot more comfortable than the MS Natural by ditching the archaic row-staggering for a more finger-friendly vertical stagger.
- mamcx 12y ago
  No? Where are mech+ergo in the market? I only find BYOD in hacker sites and perhaps one from a company (don't remember the name), but is smallish and cost to much for me. BTW, I have used Natural keyboards from the original model!, so the only thing that could me make change is ergo+mech, not just mech...
  - technomancy 12y ago
    Quality isn't cheap; this is true across the board. There are a bunch of expensive ergo mech boards though: * Kinesis Advantage, Maltron (the originals) * Truly Ergonomic (http://trulyergonomic.com/ http://trulyergonomic.com/) * Infinity Ergodox (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_open https://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_ope...) * Atreus (http://atreus.technomancy.us http://atreus.technomancy.us disclaimer: I run this site) * Ergodox EZ (http://ergodox-ez.com/ http://ergodox-ez.com/) * Keyboard.io (http://keyboard.io http://keyboard.io still in preproduction) * Axios (http://axios.io http://axios.io still in preproduction)
    - mamcx 12y ago
      Truly Ergonomic look like is the only ready to use, without extra hacking.