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There seems to be some feature overlap between fleet and kubernetes. Anyone knows are they planning to reconcile those two?

jsprogrammer 12y ago
What more do you want fleet to do? It's a simple scheduler and seems to be pretty much complete. Expect CoreOS to shift resources towards proprietary revenue streams while allowing the community to pick up slack on open projects.
- barakm 12y ago
  I can safely say that's not the case. Much of what we're doing with CoreOS or Tectonic depends on open source, particularly our open source projects. That's not going away anytime soon. (etcd dev here. We've got a long roadmap ahead.)
  - jsprogrammer 12y ago
    Where can we find the roadmap and is Tectonic itself open source?
    - achanda358 12y ago
      Does not look like it's open source.
    - barakm 12y ago
      To your first question: https://github.com/coreos/etcd/milestones https://github.com/coreos/etcd/milestones (and the mailing list is pretty useful as well, to keep up on point releases and announcements and such). To your second question, Kelsey said it best: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9330398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9330398
      - jsprogrammer 12y ago
        I appreciate the roadmaps on individual projects. I am more interested in the CoreOS roadmap. So far the approach seems to be, work on a special project in secret for a couple months that aims to compete with existing solutions and then hype a partial release of the incomplete project on a Monday.
- achanda358 12y ago
  Not saying fleet should do more. Just that it has some overlap with Kubernetes.
- kelseyhightower 12y ago
  I hope not! I can tell you first hand the majority of our team members work on our opensource projects. It's one of the main reasons I came to work for CoreOS over a year ago. But the concern is still valid -- will CoreOS really keep funding our opensource projects or will CoreOS pull a fast one and go open core? So far our actions prove we are committed to opensource and that continues with todays announcement. We wanted it to be really clear that CoreOS is all about opensource projects and collaboration, even if that means our competitors can compete with us, that we took major effort in keeping the two brands separate. There is coreos.com for "Open Source Projects for Linux Containers", and tectonic.com that combines those projects in a commercial offering. There are some non-open bits in the commercial offering, but they don't conflict with the opensource projects. You are right that we will allocate more resources towards making money, which is required if we want to continue the good work we are doing on the opensource front. You are also right in that the community will pick up the slack, but please keep in mind that CoreOS is part of that community and we plan to continue leading the way.
  - politician 12y ago
    Does k8s replace fleet in a tectonic system? It's been asked several times on this thread, but there hasn't been a straight-forward answer yet.
    - jsprogrammer 12y ago
      I don't think they want to say anything that would potentially alienate anyone, which is why you're unlikely to get a straight answer. fleet will exist indefinitely, but kubernetes essentially replaces it with something (promised to be) better.
    - ecnahc515 12y ago
      Nope, k8s and fleet are used together in Tectonic. K8s is what the user interacts with for any kind of deployment, however.

jsprogrammer 12y ago

What more do you want fleet to do? It's a simple scheduler and seems to be pretty much complete. Expect CoreOS to shift resources towards proprietary revenue streams while allowing the community to pick up slack on open projects.

barakm 12y ago
I can safely say that's not the case. Much of what we're doing with CoreOS or Tectonic depends on open source, particularly our open source projects. That's not going away anytime soon. (etcd dev here. We've got a long roadmap ahead.)
- jsprogrammer 12y ago
  Where can we find the roadmap and is Tectonic itself open source?
  - achanda358 12y ago
    Does not look like it's open source.
  - barakm 12y ago
    To your first question: https://github.com/coreos/etcd/milestones https://github.com/coreos/etcd/milestones (and the mailing list is pretty useful as well, to keep up on point releases and announcements and such). To your second question, Kelsey said it best: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9330398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9330398
    - jsprogrammer 12y ago
      I appreciate the roadmaps on individual projects. I am more interested in the CoreOS roadmap. So far the approach seems to be, work on a special project in secret for a couple months that aims to compete with existing solutions and then hype a partial release of the incomplete project on a Monday.
achanda358 12y ago
Not saying fleet should do more. Just that it has some overlap with Kubernetes.
kelseyhightower 12y ago
I hope not! I can tell you first hand the majority of our team members work on our opensource projects. It's one of the main reasons I came to work for CoreOS over a year ago. But the concern is still valid -- will CoreOS really keep funding our opensource projects or will CoreOS pull a fast one and go open core? So far our actions prove we are committed to opensource and that continues with todays announcement. We wanted it to be really clear that CoreOS is all about opensource projects and collaboration, even if that means our competitors can compete with us, that we took major effort in keeping the two brands separate. There is coreos.com for "Open Source Projects for Linux Containers", and tectonic.com that combines those projects in a commercial offering. There are some non-open bits in the commercial offering, but they don't conflict with the opensource projects. You are right that we will allocate more resources towards making money, which is required if we want to continue the good work we are doing on the opensource front. You are also right in that the community will pick up the slack, but please keep in mind that CoreOS is part of that community and we plan to continue leading the way.
- politician 12y ago
  Does k8s replace fleet in a tectonic system? It's been asked several times on this thread, but there hasn't been a straight-forward answer yet.
  - jsprogrammer 12y ago
    I don't think they want to say anything that would potentially alienate anyone, which is why you're unlikely to get a straight answer. fleet will exist indefinitely, but kubernetes essentially replaces it with something (promised to be) better.
  - ecnahc515 12y ago
    Nope, k8s and fleet are used together in Tectonic. K8s is what the user interacts with for any kind of deployment, however.