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Neovim Newsletter #5 – Out of the Box

224 points by davis 12y ago

shocks 12y ago
Wow, neovim is really coming along nicely. I'm excited to start seeing Windows support. Keep it up guys!
tarruda 12y ago
This post was ranked 4th a few minutes ago and suddenly it dropped to 29th. It currently has 10 points and was created 25 minutes ago, and is behind posts with 5 points created 35 minutes ago, anyone has an idea why this happens?
- shocks 12y ago
  Penalties can be applied for various keywords or voting patterns. Perhaps the voting ring detector was tripped?
  - tarruda 12y ago
    Seems to be the cause, just found this: http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really...
  - tarruda 12y ago
    The penalty applied to this post seems really unjust. 138 points in two hours ranked 20th, in contrast with the 2nd place which has 130 points and also was posted two hours ago.
    - shocks 12y ago
      Yes I agree. I'd like to know what the penalty here is. Keyword based? I've read (somewhere) that "vim" gets a penalty, perhaps "neovim" does now too.
      - blumkvist 12y ago
        Why does vim get a penalty?
        dang 12y ago
        Of course vim doesn't get a penalty. How do people come up with these things?! Edit: removed joke about being an Emacs user. Must learn not to do that.
    - davis 12y ago
      Yup. And now its off the homepage even though it should still be in the top 10.
- stefantalpalaru 12y ago
  > anyone has an idea why this happens? We're watched over by machines of loving grace.
- dang 12y ago
  It set off the voting ring detector.
  - tarruda 12y ago
    How does HN distinguishes popular posts from voting rings? Or will it always penalize a post with too many votes in a short time span?
    - tptacek 12y ago
      Not the expert, but an old-timer: It's a cat-and-mouse game between HN and the various promotional rings, so they're always going to be cagey about how it works. Generally: post content, and then trust the site to find it. Re-post later if the site misses it. Don't do other things --- like asking your friends to upvote, or circulating HN links on other sites --- to promote an HN link. Generally a good rule of thumb is that things you do to promote your STORY are probably fine, but things you do to promote AN HN LINK are virtually never fine.
      - tarruda 12y ago
        We only promote the newsletter link, not the HN discussion. Though I have been seeing some tweets(@ExplodingAds, @offeryour and others) whenever a Neovim story is posted, could these(which often contain HN discussion links) be triggering the ring detector?
        tedunangst 12y ago
        The twitter spambots tweet about every story. And comment. And whatever.
- wodenokoto 12y ago
  I've found that HN tends to present things with some variations. I don't really consider the front page as a ranking as much as current suggestions. Sometimes the top post has no comments, sometimes the top is dominated by full discussions.
bstar77 12y ago
Curious if anyone has a gui-based build of neovim yet for the mac, perhaps a stable build of Atom Neovim? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_zb7X6mZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_zb7X6mZw
- tarruda 12y ago
  Have a look at this one: https://github.com/rogual/neovim-dot-app https://github.com/rogual/neovim-dot-app
  - bstar77 12y ago
    awesome, exactly what I was looking for edit: Actually, I spoke too soon, having trouble getting this to build. It seems the Homebrew build package has some issues at the moment.
    - ics 12y ago
      It builds fine for me just now on 10.10. I did have to pop in to zsh instead of fish because of `SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'` though. The font rendering looks a bit off for me but it's blazingly fast.
    - davis 12y ago
      Neovim.app isn't in Homebrew. Are you referring to its dependencies like scons, msgpack-c, or something else? What is failing?
    - bstar77 12y ago
      I was having trouble building the neovim package, but I did not realize that I did not have the latest command-line tools. Updating those fixed the issue.
- cseelus 12y ago
  Atom Shell UI for Neovim[1] might be for you. Seems pretty stable with a few tweaks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgNJnBKMRNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgNJnBKMRNw [1] https://github.com/coolwanglu/neovim.as https://github.com/coolwanglu/neovim.as
dghf 12y ago
Shame they're getting rid of the 'view' synonym for 'vim -R', though I guess it's easy enough to replicate with a shell alias or trivial shell-script.
NoGravitas 12y ago
I'm particularly impressed by the fact that the new TUI using libtermkey means that they can bind M- and C-S- combinations in the terminal. This is something that has really plagued emacs terminal users -- the terminal UI can't handle all the key chords that the graphical UI can, which really breaks down for some modes, org-mode in particular. It's not clear from the documentation whether M-C- combinations are handled, which would be especially useful on emacs.
ics 12y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbMVj9XSUo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbMVj9XSUo (Running emacs in neovim) This is pretty fun. It's using the new terminal emulator within Neovim which is mentioned in this newsletter.

224 points by davis 12y ago

Wow, neovim is really coming along nicely. I'm excited to start seeing Windows support. Keep it up guys!

This post was ranked 4th a few minutes ago and suddenly it dropped to 29th. It currently has 10 points and was created 25 minutes ago, and is behind posts with 5 points created 35 minutes ago, anyone has an idea why this happens?

shocks 12y ago
Penalties can be applied for various keywords or voting patterns. Perhaps the voting ring detector was tripped?
- tarruda 12y ago
  Seems to be the cause, just found this: http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really...
- tarruda 12y ago
  The penalty applied to this post seems really unjust. 138 points in two hours ranked 20th, in contrast with the 2nd place which has 130 points and also was posted two hours ago.
  - shocks 12y ago
    Yes I agree. I'd like to know what the penalty here is. Keyword based? I've read (somewhere) that "vim" gets a penalty, perhaps "neovim" does now too.
    - blumkvist 12y ago
      Why does vim get a penalty?
      - dang 12y ago
        Of course vim doesn't get a penalty. How do people come up with these things?! Edit: removed joke about being an Emacs user. Must learn not to do that.
  - davis 12y ago
    Yup. And now its off the homepage even though it should still be in the top 10.
stefantalpalaru 12y ago
> anyone has an idea why this happens? We're watched over by machines of loving grace.
dang 12y ago
It set off the voting ring detector.
- tarruda 12y ago
  How does HN distinguishes popular posts from voting rings? Or will it always penalize a post with too many votes in a short time span?
  - tptacek 12y ago
    Not the expert, but an old-timer: It's a cat-and-mouse game between HN and the various promotional rings, so they're always going to be cagey about how it works. Generally: post content, and then trust the site to find it. Re-post later if the site misses it. Don't do other things --- like asking your friends to upvote, or circulating HN links on other sites --- to promote an HN link. Generally a good rule of thumb is that things you do to promote your STORY are probably fine, but things you do to promote AN HN LINK are virtually never fine.
    - tarruda 12y ago
      We only promote the newsletter link, not the HN discussion. Though I have been seeing some tweets(@ExplodingAds, @offeryour and others) whenever a Neovim story is posted, could these(which often contain HN discussion links) be triggering the ring detector?
      - tedunangst 12y ago
        The twitter spambots tweet about every story. And comment. And whatever.
wodenokoto 12y ago
I've found that HN tends to present things with some variations. I don't really consider the front page as a ranking as much as current suggestions. Sometimes the top post has no comments, sometimes the top is dominated by full discussions.

bstar77 12y ago

Curious if anyone has a gui-based build of neovim yet for the mac, perhaps a stable build of Atom Neovim? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_zb7X6mZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH_zb7X6mZw

tarruda 12y ago
Have a look at this one: https://github.com/rogual/neovim-dot-app https://github.com/rogual/neovim-dot-app
- bstar77 12y ago
  awesome, exactly what I was looking for edit: Actually, I spoke too soon, having trouble getting this to build. It seems the Homebrew build package has some issues at the moment.
  - ics 12y ago
    It builds fine for me just now on 10.10. I did have to pop in to zsh instead of fish because of `SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'` though. The font rendering looks a bit off for me but it's blazingly fast.
  - davis 12y ago
    Neovim.app isn't in Homebrew. Are you referring to its dependencies like scons, msgpack-c, or something else? What is failing?
  - bstar77 12y ago
    I was having trouble building the neovim package, but I did not realize that I did not have the latest command-line tools. Updating those fixed the issue.
cseelus 12y ago
Atom Shell UI for Neovim[1] might be for you. Seems pretty stable with a few tweaks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgNJnBKMRNw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgNJnBKMRNw [1] https://github.com/coolwanglu/neovim.as https://github.com/coolwanglu/neovim.as

dghf 12y ago

Shame they're getting rid of the 'view' synonym for 'vim -R', though I guess it's easy enough to replicate with a shell alias or trivial shell-script.

NoGravitas 12y ago

I'm particularly impressed by the fact that the new TUI using libtermkey means that they can bind M- and C-S- combinations in the terminal. This is something that has really plagued emacs terminal users -- the terminal UI can't handle all the key chords that the graphical UI can, which really breaks down for some modes, org-mode in particular. It's not clear from the documentation whether M-C- combinations are handled, which would be especially useful on emacs.

ics 12y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbMVj9XSUo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbMVj9XSUo (Running emacs in neovim) This is pretty fun. It's using the new terminal emulator within Neovim which is mentioned in this newsletter.