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Turkey blocks Twitter, YouTube over hostage photo

89 points by gokhan 12y ago

cturhan 12y ago
Yet another series of tapes maybe?
- afsina 12y ago
  No. Read the article.
  - cturhan 12y ago
    I know. Already read the article. Just wanted to point out some speculations out there.
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  Elections in 2 months. It seems they always get banned closed to the elections under Erdogan.
iterationx 12y ago
The first time around it didn't get adequate attention in the US media. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ban of YouTube occurred after a conversation was leaked between Head of Turkish Intelligence Hakan Fidan and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu that he wanted removed from the video-sharing website. The leaked call details Erdogan's thoughts that an attack on Syria "must be seen as an opportunity for us [Turkey]". In the conversation, intelligence chief Fidan says that he will send four men from Syria to attack Turkey to "make up a cause of war". http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-youtube-ban-full-transcript-leaked-syria-war-conversation-between-erdogan-officials-1442161 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-youtube-ban-full-transcript-...
- MisterWebz 12y ago
  > The first time around it didn't get adequate attention in the US media. Quite an understatement. Some of the news outlets deemed it unnecessary to mention what was said in the leaked tapes and instead referred to it as a "military strategy".
- tomjen3 12y ago
  Great find, but unfortunately often there is a good reason that such things don't get mentioned much, because there isn't much evidence for it. How trushworthy is ibtimes?
  - iterationx 12y ago
    The reason they banned youtube is because the evidence was on youtube. You need to re-evaluate your assumptions.
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saool 12y ago
> In a 2010 meeting with the Austrian Foreign Minister, United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said “With respect to Turkey, the United States, along with many other countries in Europe, support the membership of Turkey inside the EU. I know that it is an issue that divides the European Union. We don’t have a vote, but if we were a member, we would be strongly in favor of it.”[176] > European Union During a televised debate on May 20, 2014 for the 2014 European Parliament Elections, President of the European Commission candidates Jean-Claude Juncker and Martin Schulz (of the EEP and S&D blocs respectively) both argued that they would "promise" that Turkey would never join the European Union while either one of them were President, with the view that Turkey has turned its back on "European democratic values".[177] * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Euro... updated: broken link
- simi_ 12y ago
  Broken link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Euro...
- exelius 12y ago
  Turkey in the EU would be great for Turkey and its citizens, but probably not the EU. Turkey doesn't have its house in order with regards to corruption, and their labor is too cheap (which becomes a problem because they don't have the tax base required to support EU initiatives). Labor prices won't rise as long as Syria is in turmoil, because Turkey is flooded with refugees who are a source of cheap labor. Turkey would quickly become another Greece, only likely with a violent Islamist opposition instead of a violent Fascist opposition.
  - dogma1138 12y ago
    The fact that the EU considered Turkey was hypocritical, they've been occupying half of Cyprus for over 60 years now. Sadly it no longer seems that there is much hope for Turkey, in the 90's and early 2000's they seemed to make so much progress but now they seem to be just fine with devolving and going completely away from the path that Ataturk set for them after the fall of the Ottoman empire. What people seem to forget is that the majority of their population is very rural, uneducated and really in opposite with western and European values and their power base since the latest regime change just been growing, the "Islamist" opposition you speak off is not an opposition any more it's the ruling party. They seem to be much more of a mix between Iran and Russia in their form of government than a the disorganized EU nation like Greece or Italy they were in the 90's and It's a shame. Turkey could have offered a huge boost to the Eurozone they on a steady path to become one of the largest individual economies in the world.
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89 points by gokhan 12y ago

cturhan 12y ago

Yet another series of tapes maybe?

afsina 12y ago
No. Read the article.
- cturhan 12y ago
  I know. Already read the article. Just wanted to point out some speculations out there.
higherpurpose 12y ago
Elections in 2 months. It seems they always get banned closed to the elections under Erdogan.

iterationx 12y ago

The first time around it didn't get adequate attention in the US media. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ban of YouTube occurred after a conversation was leaked between Head of Turkish Intelligence Hakan Fidan and Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu that he wanted removed from the video-sharing website. The leaked call details Erdogan's thoughts that an attack on Syria "must be seen as an opportunity for us [Turkey]". In the conversation, intelligence chief Fidan says that he will send four men from Syria to attack Turkey to "make up a cause of war". http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-youtube-ban-full-transcript-leaked-syria-war-conversation-between-erdogan-officials-1442161 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-youtube-ban-full-transcript-...

MisterWebz 12y ago
> The first time around it didn't get adequate attention in the US media. Quite an understatement. Some of the news outlets deemed it unnecessary to mention what was said in the leaked tapes and instead referred to it as a "military strategy".
tomjen3 12y ago
Great find, but unfortunately often there is a good reason that such things don't get mentioned much, because there isn't much evidence for it. How trushworthy is ibtimes?
- iterationx 12y ago
  The reason they banned youtube is because the evidence was on youtube. You need to re-evaluate your assumptions.

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saool 12y ago

> In a 2010 meeting with the Austrian Foreign Minister, United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said “With respect to Turkey, the United States, along with many other countries in Europe, support the membership of Turkey inside the EU. I know that it is an issue that divides the European Union. We don’t have a vote, but if we were a member, we would be strongly in favor of it.”[176] > European Union During a televised debate on May 20, 2014 for the 2014 European Parliament Elections, President of the European Commission candidates Jean-Claude Juncker and Martin Schulz (of the EEP and S&D blocs respectively) both argued that they would "promise" that Turkey would never join the European Union while either one of them were President, with the view that Turkey has turned its back on "European democratic values".[177] * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Euro... updated: broken link

simi_ 12y ago
Broken link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Euro...
exelius 12y ago
Turkey in the EU would be great for Turkey and its citizens, but probably not the EU. Turkey doesn't have its house in order with regards to corruption, and their labor is too cheap (which becomes a problem because they don't have the tax base required to support EU initiatives). Labor prices won't rise as long as Syria is in turmoil, because Turkey is flooded with refugees who are a source of cheap labor. Turkey would quickly become another Greece, only likely with a violent Islamist opposition instead of a violent Fascist opposition.
- dogma1138 12y ago
  The fact that the EU considered Turkey was hypocritical, they've been occupying half of Cyprus for over 60 years now. Sadly it no longer seems that there is much hope for Turkey, in the 90's and early 2000's they seemed to make so much progress but now they seem to be just fine with devolving and going completely away from the path that Ataturk set for them after the fall of the Ottoman empire. What people seem to forget is that the majority of their population is very rural, uneducated and really in opposite with western and European values and their power base since the latest regime change just been growing, the "Islamist" opposition you speak off is not an opposition any more it's the ruling party. They seem to be much more of a mix between Iran and Russia in their form of government than a the disorganized EU nation like Greece or Italy they were in the 90's and It's a shame. Turkey could have offered a huge boost to the Eurozone they on a steady path to become one of the largest individual economies in the world.

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