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No knock entries are indeed insane - I don't understand the scenario that would be required for a no-knock entry to be the only acceptable option. Are the polic

by iLoch 12y ago

No knock entries are indeed insane - I don't understand the scenario that would be required for a no-knock entry to be the only acceptable option. Are the police scared of the occupants firing guns at them? That would be ironic.

cperciva 12y ago
I don't understand the scenario that would be required for a no-knock entry to be the only acceptable option. The classic example is if the police think that evidence could be destroyed very quickly, e.g., electronic records.
- XorNot 12y ago
  Which would be exactly what's not happening if "a guy has a gun". Either someone is in danger, in which case no-knock isn't needed, or they're not, in which case why the hell is a SWAT raid being carried out on the basis of an anonymous tip?
- 15155 12y ago
  This is such a bullshit reason: For one, you could detect these no-knocking individuals quite easily: - Cameras on the exterior of the property - Motion lights, motion sensors, motion bells are all quite cheap. And re: destruction/obfuscation of electronic evidence- -"One-click" destruction scripts, etc. - TrueCrypt volumes, everywhere. Circuit breakers, power strips, etc. with switches. If you don't manage to destroy the volume, no aggressor will be able to access it. - Degaussing setups for spinning disks, activated by similar mechanisms. This stuff is pretty cheap, easily available. Anybody caught by these technically-incompetent police executing no-knock raids deserves to be caught. Hell, if you don't have a few 6TB volumes full of random bits, labeled "Evidence," you aren't doing it right. Gotta tie up those investigative resources somehow.
  - SamReidHughes 12y ago
    What people could do doesn't matter, it's what they do do.
Paradigma11 12y ago
A situation with hostages where the perp has already killed and is unaware that the police has arrived.

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No knock entries are indeed insane - I don't understand the scenario that would be required for a no-knock entry to be the only acceptable option. Are the polic

by iLoch 12y ago

cperciva 12y ago
I don't understand the scenario that would be required for a no-knock entry to be the only acceptable option. The classic example is if the police think that evidence could be destroyed very quickly, e.g., electronic records.
- XorNot 12y ago
  Which would be exactly what's not happening if "a guy has a gun". Either someone is in danger, in which case no-knock isn't needed, or they're not, in which case why the hell is a SWAT raid being carried out on the basis of an anonymous tip?
- 15155 12y ago
  This is such a bullshit reason: For one, you could detect these no-knocking individuals quite easily: - Cameras on the exterior of the property - Motion lights, motion sensors, motion bells are all quite cheap. And re: destruction/obfuscation of electronic evidence- -"One-click" destruction scripts, etc. - TrueCrypt volumes, everywhere. Circuit breakers, power strips, etc. with switches. If you don't manage to destroy the volume, no aggressor will be able to access it. - Degaussing setups for spinning disks, activated by similar mechanisms. This stuff is pretty cheap, easily available. Anybody caught by these technically-incompetent police executing no-knock raids deserves to be caught. Hell, if you don't have a few 6TB volumes full of random bits, labeled "Evidence," you aren't doing it right. Gotta tie up those investigative resources somehow.
  - SamReidHughes 12y ago
    What people could do doesn't matter, it's what they do do.
Paradigma11 12y ago
A situation with hostages where the perp has already killed and is unaware that the police has arrived.