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parrot (common virtual machine for dynamic languages) named after an April Fool's hoax that came true: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/01/parrot.htm htt

by frik 12y ago

parrot (common virtual machine for dynamic languages) named after an April Fool's hoax that came true: http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/01/parrot.htm http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/01/parrot.htm What a coincident. In 2015, Perl 6 (Parrot VM) and Python 3 have difficulties to transfer their community over from the former major releases Perl 5 and Python 2. Offtopic: We can learn from it. Like fixing a language early or never/only in small steps. Other examples: XHTML 1 and especially 2 failed, HTML5 based on HTML4 won spectacular. PHP6 failed, but won with PHP 5.3+ and now PHP 7. The transition from Visual Basic 6 and VBA 6 to Visual Basic .Net failed, J#/C# won.

aaronbrethorst 12y ago
J# definitely did not win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Sharp#Future_of_J.23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Sharp#Future_of_J.23
- frik 12y ago
  I meant Visual Basic 6 developers moved on to C# or web development, as porting VB6 code to VB.net was non trivial. The MS Java to .Net/C# roadmap is off-topic and complicated (afaik: Sun Java -> MS Java (MSJVM) J++ -> J# & C#, C#). J# is dead as of 2015 (it was a transitional language to .Net/C#), but it cannot be denied MS got a VM based environment (CLR) and a Java-inspired language (C# v1). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#... .
xorcist 12y ago
Perl 6's biggest mistake was naming their language Perl. It turns out Perl-6 is a completely different language from Perl-5, although they share the surrounding ecosystem. But now that the name is taken, Perl-5 is up to version 20.2 with no clear solution in sight to communicate version numbers in the future. I don't think any of the Perl-6 developers actually advocates switching from Perl-5. (But please correct me if I'm wrong.) The situation is quite different from Python 3, which is the newest incarnation of the Python language.
- rat87 12y ago
  From what I've heard of it I'm guessing they would be advocating switching to Perl-6 for new projects if perl-6 had actually shipped a 1.0/6.0 type release and seemed to be succeeding as a practical language.
- cbd1984 12y ago
  The original plan, as I recall, was to move everyone to the Parrot VM, such that there would be a Perl 5 compiler, a Perl 6 compiler, a your-language-here compiler, and everyone would be able to share code in an environment that was similar to the JVM but friendlier to dynamic languages. So Perl 5 was never going to go away like Perl 4 had, it was just going to become one element of a broader ecosystem.

by frik 12y ago

aaronbrethorst 12y ago

J# definitely did not win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Sharp#Future_of_J.23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Sharp#Future_of_J.23

frik 12y ago
I meant Visual Basic 6 developers moved on to C# or web development, as porting VB6 code to VB.net was non trivial. The MS Java to .Net/C# roadmap is off-topic and complicated (afaik: Sun Java -> MS Java (MSJVM) J++ -> J# & C#, C#). J# is dead as of 2015 (it was a transitional language to .Net/C#), but it cannot be denied MS got a VM based environment (CLR) and a Java-inspired language (C# v1). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#... .

xorcist 12y ago

Perl 6's biggest mistake was naming their language Perl. It turns out Perl-6 is a completely different language from Perl-5, although they share the surrounding ecosystem. But now that the name is taken, Perl-5 is up to version 20.2 with no clear solution in sight to communicate version numbers in the future. I don't think any of the Perl-6 developers actually advocates switching from Perl-5. (But please correct me if I'm wrong.) The situation is quite different from Python 3, which is the newest incarnation of the Python language.

rat87 12y ago
From what I've heard of it I'm guessing they would be advocating switching to Perl-6 for new projects if perl-6 had actually shipped a 1.0/6.0 type release and seemed to be succeeding as a practical language.
cbd1984 12y ago
The original plan, as I recall, was to move everyone to the Parrot VM, such that there would be a Perl 5 compiler, a Perl 6 compiler, a your-language-here compiler, and everyone would be able to share code in an environment that was similar to the JVM but friendlier to dynamic languages. So Perl 5 was never going to go away like Perl 4 had, it was just going to become one element of a broader ecosystem.