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My (non-expert) OPINION is: Bitcoin is a scam. I do support the idea of digital currencies (possibly even decentralized), but I don't think Bitcoin is the appr
by jmount 12y ago
My (non-expert) OPINION is: Bitcoin is a scam. I do support the idea of digital currencies (possibly even decentralized), but I don't think Bitcoin is the appropriate flag bearer. I understand the term "scam" may seem rude or offensive, but it is what I mean. For example: I don't mean "I think Bitcoin is a bad investment." I think it is something else entirely.
I understand this seems to be a minority opinion on hacker news. I know I don't have the exact parameters of the scam. But insisting on such degenerates into some weird imitation of constructivist logic that seems to claim: if you can't point out exactly when you are going to be ripped off then you can't prove you are going to be ripped off, and therefore you don't know you are being ripped off.
Or: no, I don't know how to make money shorting Bitcoin. But I also don't know how to make money shorting 419 scams. That doesn't mean these things have positive value. Assuming information always has tradable value (i.e. you can go long or go short) is attempting to apply an idea that may or may not be true for investments to a completely different category (scams).
What I think confuses people is we are in the time interval where Bitcoin is a successful scam. So it superficially appears different than any past failed scam you compare it to. But Bitcoin is almost entirely about paying earlier investors purely with proceeds from later investors. A lot of abstract markets and currencies do appear to be similar to this, but tend to have other mitigating features that I just don't see in Bitcoin. (The mitigating factor for traditional currencies is the large state institutions that would lose reputation in a hyperinflation scenario, hasn't always stopped hyperinflation- but it is at least a weak counter-force; for stocks it is the fiction of company control/ownership/dividends/voting-rights; gold the liquidity of the resale market and demand for jewelry; I am not saying these are good institutions, just that you certainly don't want to be even worse.)
I would say to the pro-Bitcoin crowd: if you don't think Bitcoin is a scam, is there any description of a system that you would consider a scam (with our without the Bitcoin name attached)? I say this in seriousness as I really suspect there is some sort of "by definition informed investors can't be scammed, they can only make good or bad investments" element to some of the debates.
- pjzedalis 12y agoI think it feels scammy because it makes no consideration for past wealth. Anyone who got in early enough and picked up dozens of early coin are now reaping some benefits. Old money now has to buy it at new rates or ignore it. Some old money decided to buy early and now have considerable impact on its future so thats something. Everyone in between is trying to figure out how having "Disney dollars" helps them. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jp22_M8wNQ&spfreload=10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jp22_M8wNQ&spfreload=10
- oafitupa 12y agoA scam is a trickery by which you fool someone into giving something of value to you. Bitcoin is open source, and what we say it is is exactly what it is, and anyone (or any programmer, but hey, this is HN) can check it, so there is no scam. By your logic then gold and every other investment is also a scam, because you are "giving money to earlier investors".