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Somehow, I don't think John McCain or Mitt Romney would have made any better paragons of civil rights or of a restrained executive (though it was hard to believ

by iwwr 12y ago

Somehow, I don't think John McCain or Mitt Romney would have made any better paragons of civil rights or of a restrained executive (though it was hard to believe Obama would be worse than Bush in that regard). It's a political system created by the bipartisan 'one party with two wings'. But what was disappointing was the primarily Democratic Party 'peace movement' which rallied so hard against Bush's wars and then dissolved away as soon as Obama got elected. People will go along with the worst kinds of abuse if their political favorite is doing it.

nickysielicki 12y ago
I agree. By far the worst thing Obama has done is his continuing of wars, his drone strikes, and the additional military action hes done in the middle east. Romney probably wouldn't have been better. Its hard to imagine he would have been worse though. But with regards to McCain, you should go look up some of what he had to say before he was Candidate McCain. I think he's one of the better members in the GOP. He hates citizens united.[1] He understands why young people like Snowden.[2] He understands that our torturing is unacceptable (given he was a POW, this makes sense).[3] So yeah, I like him more than most of the back-asswards GOP. [1]: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/john-mccain-citizens-united_n_1960996.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/john-mccain-citizen... [2]: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/11/mccain-young-americans-admire-snowden-see-him-some/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/11/mccain-young... [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7qsQDWVPU&feature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7qsQDWVPU&feature=share
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brandonmenc 12y ago
> I don't think John McCain or Mitt Romney would have made any better paragons of civil rights or of a restrained executive They didn't campaign on those issues whereas Obama did, explicitly.

by iwwr 12y ago

nickysielicki 12y ago

I agree. By far the worst thing Obama has done is his continuing of wars, his drone strikes, and the additional military action hes done in the middle east. Romney probably wouldn't have been better. Its hard to imagine he would have been worse though. But with regards to McCain, you should go look up some of what he had to say before he was Candidate McCain. I think he's one of the better members in the GOP. He hates citizens united.[1] He understands why young people like Snowden.[2] He understands that our torturing is unacceptable (given he was a POW, this makes sense).[3] So yeah, I like him more than most of the back-asswards GOP. [1]: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/john-mccain-citizens-united_n_1960996.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/john-mccain-citizen... [2]: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/11/mccain-young-americans-admire-snowden-see-him-some/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/11/mccain-young... [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7qsQDWVPU&feature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7qsQDWVPU&feature=share

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brandonmenc 12y ago

> I don't think John McCain or Mitt Romney would have made any better paragons of civil rights or of a restrained executive They didn't campaign on those issues whereas Obama did, explicitly.