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> Is this missing a "/s" flag? Nope. I don't care how "nice looking" the distros are. I care about consistent, well though out design guidelines that users ca

> Is this missing a "/s" flag? Nope. I don't care how "nice looking" the distros are. I care about consistent, well though out design guidelines that users can rely on across many applications. And yes, OS X is better, hence they're not in the list. They do have significantly better security features (that has been true for a while now). See my answer below for details. Apple is one of the most secretive companies we have on this planet and I, a Apple user, am not happy about that. (Yann Lecun complained about this in a recent Facebook ad too.) All parts that matter are closed: Kernel stuff, device drivers, core libs/frameworks, the Swift compiler, etc. Ignorance is bliss.

joshstrange 12y ago
I hear you on "I care about consistent, well though ought design guidelines that users can rely on across many applications" that is a pain point for many linux distros. Nothing is more frustrating than having 80% of your apps looks similar and then 20% stand out like a sore thumb. It's probably one of the top reasons that I pick OS X over linux, I think people work better on things that look better and all fit together well. > They do have significantly better security features (that has been true for a while now). See my answer below for details. You must still be responding to bigstumpy so I'll wait for that reply and respond in that thread. > Apple is one of the most secretive companies we have on this planet and I, a Apple user, am not happy about that. I hear that but I'm going to pick the best platform that let's me do my job best and for now (and for a while now) OS X has been that platform. I don't think I could ever go back to non-unixy OS (read: windows). I can survive on Linux (All of my code runs on Linux and I work with Linux servers) as a desktop OS but where it really shines IMHO is server OS's. > All parts that matter are closed: Kernel stuff, device drivers, core libs/frameworks, the Swift compiler, etc. As someone who would only care about the Swift compiler and possibly core libs/frameworks I guess this just doesn't bother me personally as much. I'd love if it was all OS for other people's benefit but it don't affect my day to day life really. > Ignorance is bliss. This is true but OS X let's me do my job better than Windows/Linux so call me ignorant cause development on OS X (for me) is bliss.
- emodendroket 12y ago
  > I hear you on "I care about consistent, well though ought design guidelines that users can rely on across many applications" that is a pain point for many linux distros. Nothing is more frustrating than having 80% of your apps looks similar and then 20% stand out like a sore thumb. It's probably one of the top reasons that I pick OS X over linux, I think people work better on things that look better and all fit together well. It's not just looks. Almost every Windows application has the same keyboard shortcuts. How many X-based Linux applications is that true for? Even classic command-line utils are wildly inconsistent (look at dd, for instance). OS X has some great things about it but there is so much software that is only on Windows that I want to use that it ends up being hard to use other OSs for desktop (I've used both Linux and OS X for several years before coming back).
  - joshstrange 12y ago
    > Almost every Windows application has the same keyboard shortcuts. I don't use keyboard shortcuts as much as some people may but I've never experienced issues with hotkey differences between apps in OS X. The one's I use are always consistent. > there is so much software that is only on Windows I don't have this issue either. For every daily task I do I have a native OS X app that performs without issues (often looking better while doing it than their windows alternative/equivalent). There is 1 single windows app that I need to use 1-2 times a month that a vendor provides and I have a VirtualBox VM for that. I do understand that different sectors/professions will have different experiences but OS X does everything I need it to do and I've never felt restrained.
    - emodendroket 12y ago
      I agree that Windows and OS X are roughly equal (maybe OS X is a little better) when it comes to UI consistency, consistent keyboard shortcuts, etc. That's not true of Linux applications, generally (which is why I said "X-based Linux applications," not "OS X applications"). As far as your second point, I'm glad for you, but it wasn't my experience and I got really sick of jumping through hoops trying to emulate a Windows environment for various software that was not available in OS X.

joshstrange 12y ago

I hear you on "I care about consistent, well though ought design guidelines that users can rely on across many applications" that is a pain point for many linux distros. Nothing is more frustrating than having 80% of your apps looks similar and then 20% stand out like a sore thumb. It's probably one of the top reasons that I pick OS X over linux, I think people work better on things that look better and all fit together well. > They do have significantly better security features (that has been true for a while now). See my answer below for details. You must still be responding to bigstumpy so I'll wait for that reply and respond in that thread. > Apple is one of the most secretive companies we have on this planet and I, a Apple user, am not happy about that. I hear that but I'm going to pick the best platform that let's me do my job best and for now (and for a while now) OS X has been that platform. I don't think I could ever go back to non-unixy OS (read: windows). I can survive on Linux (All of my code runs on Linux and I work with Linux servers) as a desktop OS but where it really shines IMHO is server OS's. > All parts that matter are closed: Kernel stuff, device drivers, core libs/frameworks, the Swift compiler, etc. As someone who would only care about the Swift compiler and possibly core libs/frameworks I guess this just doesn't bother me personally as much. I'd love if it was all OS for other people's benefit but it don't affect my day to day life really. > Ignorance is bliss. This is true but OS X let's me do my job better than Windows/Linux so call me ignorant cause development on OS X (for me) is bliss.

emodendroket 12y ago
> I hear you on "I care about consistent, well though ought design guidelines that users can rely on across many applications" that is a pain point for many linux distros. Nothing is more frustrating than having 80% of your apps looks similar and then 20% stand out like a sore thumb. It's probably one of the top reasons that I pick OS X over linux, I think people work better on things that look better and all fit together well. It's not just looks. Almost every Windows application has the same keyboard shortcuts. How many X-based Linux applications is that true for? Even classic command-line utils are wildly inconsistent (look at dd, for instance). OS X has some great things about it but there is so much software that is only on Windows that I want to use that it ends up being hard to use other OSs for desktop (I've used both Linux and OS X for several years before coming back).
- joshstrange 12y ago
  > Almost every Windows application has the same keyboard shortcuts. I don't use keyboard shortcuts as much as some people may but I've never experienced issues with hotkey differences between apps in OS X. The one's I use are always consistent. > there is so much software that is only on Windows I don't have this issue either. For every daily task I do I have a native OS X app that performs without issues (often looking better while doing it than their windows alternative/equivalent). There is 1 single windows app that I need to use 1-2 times a month that a vendor provides and I have a VirtualBox VM for that. I do understand that different sectors/professions will have different experiences but OS X does everything I need it to do and I've never felt restrained.
  - emodendroket 12y ago
    I agree that Windows and OS X are roughly equal (maybe OS X is a little better) when it comes to UI consistency, consistent keyboard shortcuts, etc. That's not true of Linux applications, generally (which is why I said "X-based Linux applications," not "OS X applications"). As far as your second point, I'm glad for you, but it wasn't my experience and I got really sick of jumping through hoops trying to emulate a Windows environment for various software that was not available in OS X.