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The damage caused by hydro-electrical plants is always blown out of proportion. Dams create huge reservoir of water, which flood a lot of land upstream, causin

by 1971genocide 12y ago

The damage caused by hydro-electrical plants is always blown out of proportion. Dams create huge reservoir of water, which flood a lot of land upstream, causing the river lines to expand. however people forget to mention that gravity is a zero-sum game. every area that is being rendered unusable upstream results in creation of new area downstream. More often than not these areas are near large cities which are usually located downstream. Also it opens up new fertile river bed for agriculture. Now coming back to your question. Sometimes government do not properly compensate the people that are being displaced or take care of the animals etc. But that is a fault of the government and not the science behind hydro-electrical.

fetbaffe 12y ago
However fish that needs to travel upstream have a hard time. It can be solved to some extent.
- sjwright 12y ago
  With cannons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICS32kady4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICS32kady4
hueving 12y ago
>however people forget to mention that gravity is a zero-sum game. every area that is being rendered unusable upstream results in creation of new area downstream. That's not right. Once the lake is created, nearly the same amount of water will be flowing downstream.
- TorKlingberg 12y ago
  With a dam the water flow is more controlled, so there is less flooding downstream. It's not a simple zero-sum game like the grandparent post said though.
- Dwolb 12y ago
  Not necessarily true bc that assumes constant rain. Depending in the inconsistency of rainfall, the water flow downstream will be lumpier due to the resevoir requiring a certain level of water.
  - ptaipale 12y ago
    The other way round: the reservoir catches excess rainwater and feeds it downstream through dams and power plants, often aiming to catch water to the reservoir and keep constant flow, at least not exceeding the generation capacity (trying to avoid bypass discharge). The reservoir is where the "lumps" are caught and level of water can change considerably. The absence of lumps, i.e. floods downstream, is of course not always good for nature of the water systems, as in many places the river system ecology is based on having some floods. And specific arrangements need to be made for fish to pass dams and power plants.
- Dwolb 12y ago
  Not necessarily true bc that assumes constant rain. Depending in the inconsistency of rainfall, the water flow downstream will be lumpier due to the resevoir requiring a certain level of water.
- ptaipale 12y ago
  Except for changes in evaporation, the exact same amount, though timed differently.
vixen99 12y ago
Always? Sounds as if there's a nasty conspiracy around. Any data to backup your proclamation?
ptaipale 12y ago
> however people forget to mention that gravity is a zero-sum game. every area that is being rendered unusable upstream results in creation of new area downstream. What? The area taken up by artificial bodies of water is not a zero-sum game. If you build a reservoir which is as large or larger in area as the whole river downstream - conceivably possible in some cases - the river downstream does not vanish or become negative area. Flood control brought by dams may make the waterways downstream behave differently and lose area, but those impacts aren't all positive either (ecologically or economically). It may be true that damage caused by hydro-electrical plants is very often blown out of proportion, but I don't follow your logic regarding the areas at all.
primroot 12y ago
> The damage caused by hydro-electrical plants is always blown out of proportion. Blanket statement. Which hydro-electrical plant? Very important point. That's a point the "let's reduce carbon emission with hydro-power" camp misses all too often.

fetbaffe 12y ago

However fish that needs to travel upstream have a hard time. It can be solved to some extent.

sjwright 12y ago
With cannons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICS32kady4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICS32kady4

hueving 12y ago

>however people forget to mention that gravity is a zero-sum game. every area that is being rendered unusable upstream results in creation of new area downstream. That's not right. Once the lake is created, nearly the same amount of water will be flowing downstream.

TorKlingberg 12y ago
With a dam the water flow is more controlled, so there is less flooding downstream. It's not a simple zero-sum game like the grandparent post said though.
Dwolb 12y ago
Not necessarily true bc that assumes constant rain. Depending in the inconsistency of rainfall, the water flow downstream will be lumpier due to the resevoir requiring a certain level of water.
- ptaipale 12y ago
  The other way round: the reservoir catches excess rainwater and feeds it downstream through dams and power plants, often aiming to catch water to the reservoir and keep constant flow, at least not exceeding the generation capacity (trying to avoid bypass discharge). The reservoir is where the "lumps" are caught and level of water can change considerably. The absence of lumps, i.e. floods downstream, is of course not always good for nature of the water systems, as in many places the river system ecology is based on having some floods. And specific arrangements need to be made for fish to pass dams and power plants.
Dwolb 12y ago
Not necessarily true bc that assumes constant rain. Depending in the inconsistency of rainfall, the water flow downstream will be lumpier due to the resevoir requiring a certain level of water.
ptaipale 12y ago
Except for changes in evaporation, the exact same amount, though timed differently.

vixen99 12y ago

Always? Sounds as if there's a nasty conspiracy around. Any data to backup your proclamation?

ptaipale 12y ago

> however people forget to mention that gravity is a zero-sum game. every area that is being rendered unusable upstream results in creation of new area downstream. What? The area taken up by artificial bodies of water is not a zero-sum game. If you build a reservoir which is as large or larger in area as the whole river downstream - conceivably possible in some cases - the river downstream does not vanish or become negative area. Flood control brought by dams may make the waterways downstream behave differently and lose area, but those impacts aren't all positive either (ecologically or economically). It may be true that damage caused by hydro-electrical plants is very often blown out of proportion, but I don't follow your logic regarding the areas at all.

primroot 12y ago

> The damage caused by hydro-electrical plants is always blown out of proportion. Blanket statement. Which hydro-electrical plant? Very important point. That's a point the "let's reduce carbon emission with hydro-power" camp misses all too often.