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Is that really a fair comparison? The Pebble Time kickstarter campaign was just a pre-order portal in disguise --- it wasn't really a "true" crowdfunding campai

Is that really a fair comparison? The Pebble Time kickstarter campaign was just a pre-order portal in disguise --- it wasn't really a "true" crowdfunding campaign.

akerl_ 12y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman What facet of being "true" crowdfunding did they not satisfy?
- adrusi 12y ago
  It's in blatant violation of kickstarters rules, and was probably set up as the result of a partnership with kickstarter. Kickstarter knew that the return of pebble would be lucrative for them, and pebble knew that by using kickstarter they'd continue to wear the facade of a small fledgeling grassroots company (and while they're the underdog relative to their competition from LG, Samsung, Motorola and Apple, they're a lot bigger than they were for their first kickstarter campaign.
  - TheBeardKing 12y ago
    I think kickstarter modified those rules when they announced Launch Now: https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/introducing-launch-now-and-simplified-rules-0 https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/introducing-launch-now-and-... Now companies can just use it as an advertising platform to generate publicity, even if they have to give up a slice of revenue to kickstarter.
- Domenic_S 12y ago
  1) They easily could have raised all the capital they needed 2) They're already a successful company
  - forrestthewoods 12y ago
    1) Crowdfunded dollars are better than VC dollars. 2) Most large crowdfunding campaigns are from already successful companies.
  - sp332 12y ago
    Capital is not the same thing as sales. And with $20m (less fees) in the bank they can get even more VC money if that's what they want to do.
- baddox 12y ago
  From the article you linked: > No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. That clearly did not occur in this comment thread.
- _cpancake 12y ago
  Using fallacies while not understanding them makes you look like an idiot. Just FYI.

Is that really a fair comparison? The Pebble Time kickstarter campaign was just a pre-order portal in disguise --- it wasn't really a "true" crowdfunding campaign.

akerl_ 12y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman What facet of being "true" crowdfunding did they not satisfy?

adrusi 12y ago
It's in blatant violation of kickstarters rules, and was probably set up as the result of a partnership with kickstarter. Kickstarter knew that the return of pebble would be lucrative for them, and pebble knew that by using kickstarter they'd continue to wear the facade of a small fledgeling grassroots company (and while they're the underdog relative to their competition from LG, Samsung, Motorola and Apple, they're a lot bigger than they were for their first kickstarter campaign.
- TheBeardKing 12y ago
  I think kickstarter modified those rules when they announced Launch Now: https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/introducing-launch-now-and-simplified-rules-0 https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/introducing-launch-now-and-... Now companies can just use it as an advertising platform to generate publicity, even if they have to give up a slice of revenue to kickstarter.
Domenic_S 12y ago
1) They easily could have raised all the capital they needed 2) They're already a successful company
- forrestthewoods 12y ago
  1) Crowdfunded dollars are better than VC dollars. 2) Most large crowdfunding campaigns are from already successful companies.
- sp332 12y ago
  Capital is not the same thing as sales. And with $20m (less fees) in the bank they can get even more VC money if that's what they want to do.
baddox 12y ago
From the article you linked: > No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. That clearly did not occur in this comment thread.
_cpancake 12y ago
Using fallacies while not understanding them makes you look like an idiot. Just FYI.