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> I think people often underestimate it, but one of the biggest influences you can have -- I mean you, the HN reader! -- may be cultural. > People who work on
by discardorama 12y ago
> I think people often underestimate it, but one of the biggest influences you can have -- I mean you, the HN reader! -- may be cultural.
> People who work on building surveillance, people who have done it, people who may do it in the future, are your classmates in your CS program, your colleagues in your startup, your neighbors, your fellow conference attendees, you.
Exactly. I wish more people here would realise this. The powers-that-be do realize this, and are concerned about it. I remember when the "Fifth Estate" movie came out (which was critical of Assange), everyone in our company (a large tech company that I won't name) was given free tickets (and the afternoon off) to go see it. First time ever we were given such free tickets; I wonder why?
- oskarth 12y agoThat's absolutely ridiculous. I assume the same didn't happen for Citizen Four (which was actually a real movie as opposed to a thinly disguised hit piece). You should name and shame the company, even if you do so anonymously.
- jacquesm 12y agoNo, he doesn't have to name and shame any company. It's enough to know that such activities happen.
- Lawtonfogle 12y agoI'm not going to turn in the theif. It is enough to know that people will steal. (The difference here being that in one case the government is the judge/jury/executioner and in the other it is the realm of public opinion.)
- jacquesm 12y agoNo, it's not that. It's that it may very well be possible to trace this conversation back to a single person and that could easily jeopardize that persons employment.
- Create 12y agoWe begin therefore where they are determined not to end, with the question whether any form of democratic self-government, anywhere, is consistent with the kind of massive, pervasive, surveillance into which the Unites States government has led not only us but the world. This should not actually be a complicated inquiry. http://snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html http://snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html
- Lawtonfogle 12y agoThat is a separate (and I personally think far more valid) argument. My protest was against the argument, not against the outcome.
- binfalse 12y agoI don't know where OP worked but Yahoo 'treated' its employees to Fifth Estate. Everyone was given a ticket (or 2) to an afternoon showing at the Shoreline theater. And no, Citizen Four did not get the same treatment. Any Googlers want to chime in?