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Taxing is not morally justified BECAUSE it is a robbery. There is not failure taxing just because there is nothing to get from people who failed.

by nap 12y ago

metaphorm 12y ago
you're probably not going to convince a lot of people that taxing is robbery. that's an incredibly extreme point of view that is completely at odds with living in a developed industrial nation.
- nap 12y ago
  Is property rights completely at odds with living in a developed industrial nation? When you're threatening to force people to give up their property - it's a robbery.
  - Frondo 12y ago
    Living in a developed industrial nation, with all the benefits that incurs, and not paying for it? That's freeloading. There's no moral standing in skipping out on the bill for something you're getting.
    - nap 12y ago
      I'm paying medical, education, internet and other bills. It's okay. If I don't want paying I just shouldn't asking for this service. But with taxation I can't not pay for things that I don't want. I have to pay NSA for skying me. I have to pay police for not having ownership of myself (can't do drugs, can't commit suicide - I'm just property of the state, not myself).
danans 12y ago
It seems like you think that redistribution == robbery. I'm curious what is your preferred solution for financing public infrastructure. All private? Every street and sewer line is a company's property? Even human societies like hunter gatherers redistributed food within their groups so some of them could concentrate on child rearing and basic tool making while others acquired food. Even if duties were shared, they couldn't all be done at the same time. Redistribution of surplus was a major contributing factor which led to the specialization necessary to develop early technology like agriculture, which ultimately led to where we are today. It was certainly a critical part of the creation of the American middle class and consumer culture after the second world war.
- nap 12y ago
  Forced redistribution == robbery. Donations and other voluntaries is okey. > Every street and sewer line is a company's property? Private infrastructure works good with Internet. > Redistribution of surplus was a major contributing factor which led to the specialization Redistribution != Exchanging. Market is okey because there are no forcing, everything is ultroneous.
Frondo 12y ago
Taxation is not robbery. Taxation is a way to pay the bill of being a citizen of a place. Your confusion may arise from the following: In a robbery, someone takes something from you. With taxation, an organization takes something from you. The difference is, in a robbery, you get nothing back. With taxation, you are getting something from the government, so you're actually just paying for that.
- nap 12y ago
  > bill of being a citizen of a place. I'm never sign for that. > The difference is, in a robbery, you get nothing back. If robber give you something back - it will not be a robbery? > so you're actually just paying for that I'm actually just paying for government spying me, for forcing me to not to having ownership of myself and other "government goods".
  - Frondo 12y ago
    "I'm never sign for that." Correct, your parents chose that for you, when they chose your place of residency when you were born. As a child, your parents had custody of you and the legal right to make that decision for you. As an adult, now, you may renounce your citizenship and move to another place with no social contract; that is how you may terminate your obligations to the government where you live.

Taxing is not morally justified BECAUSE it is a robbery. There is not failure taxing just because there is nothing to get from people who failed.

by nap 12y ago

Taxing is not morally justified BECAUSE it is a robbery. There is not failure taxing just because there is nothing to get from people who failed.

metaphorm 12y ago

you're probably not going to convince a lot of people that taxing is robbery. that's an incredibly extreme point of view that is completely at odds with living in a developed industrial nation.

nap 12y ago
Is property rights completely at odds with living in a developed industrial nation? When you're threatening to force people to give up their property - it's a robbery.
- Frondo 12y ago
  Living in a developed industrial nation, with all the benefits that incurs, and not paying for it? That's freeloading. There's no moral standing in skipping out on the bill for something you're getting.
  - nap 12y ago
    I'm paying medical, education, internet and other bills. It's okay. If I don't want paying I just shouldn't asking for this service. But with taxation I can't not pay for things that I don't want. I have to pay NSA for skying me. I have to pay police for not having ownership of myself (can't do drugs, can't commit suicide - I'm just property of the state, not myself).

danans 12y ago

It seems like you think that redistribution == robbery. I'm curious what is your preferred solution for financing public infrastructure. All private? Every street and sewer line is a company's property? Even human societies like hunter gatherers redistributed food within their groups so some of them could concentrate on child rearing and basic tool making while others acquired food. Even if duties were shared, they couldn't all be done at the same time. Redistribution of surplus was a major contributing factor which led to the specialization necessary to develop early technology like agriculture, which ultimately led to where we are today. It was certainly a critical part of the creation of the American middle class and consumer culture after the second world war.

nap 12y ago
Forced redistribution == robbery. Donations and other voluntaries is okey. > Every street and sewer line is a company's property? Private infrastructure works good with Internet. > Redistribution of surplus was a major contributing factor which led to the specialization Redistribution != Exchanging. Market is okey because there are no forcing, everything is ultroneous.

Frondo 12y ago

Taxation is not robbery. Taxation is a way to pay the bill of being a citizen of a place. Your confusion may arise from the following: In a robbery, someone takes something from you. With taxation, an organization takes something from you. The difference is, in a robbery, you get nothing back. With taxation, you are getting something from the government, so you're actually just paying for that.

nap 12y ago
> bill of being a citizen of a place. I'm never sign for that. > The difference is, in a robbery, you get nothing back. If robber give you something back - it will not be a robbery? > so you're actually just paying for that I'm actually just paying for government spying me, for forcing me to not to having ownership of myself and other "government goods".
- Frondo 12y ago
  "I'm never sign for that." Correct, your parents chose that for you, when they chose your place of residency when you were born. As a child, your parents had custody of you and the legal right to make that decision for you. As an adult, now, you may renounce your citizenship and move to another place with no social contract; that is how you may terminate your obligations to the government where you live.