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> Funny how we celebrate Turing, but a modern Turing today would be vilified instantly. For that comparison to work, we would need a modern Third Reich or Worl

> Funny how we celebrate Turing, but a modern Turing today would be vilified instantly. For that comparison to work, we would need a modern Third Reich or World War as well. Tapping into European email in 201x is hardly the same as spying on the Nazis.

balabaster 12y ago
You mean such as ISIS/ISIL, Al Quada et al?
- dubbel 12y ago
  Merkel is ISIS? I am Al-Qaeda? And everyone I write with who is a US citizen can be monitored, too?
  - balabaster 12y ago
    Well that seems very much up for debate by the powers that are the U.S. Government... if you're not an American you're a potential terrorist; if however, you are an American, you're a potential terrorist too. So they're just gonna record everything and if you float, you're a witch and they'll burn you at the stake and if you drown then you were innocent and... sucks to be you; Oh wait, that was something else...
LLWM 12y ago
The point of omnipresent surveillance is to be proactive and prevent threats before they arise. There is no way to measure its success. If you oppose it, pick a better reason to base your argument on.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  I have this banana in my ear... Threats to what? > There is no way to measure its success. Convenient > If you oppose it, pick a better reason to base your argument on. If you support it, pick a better reason to base your argument on. If success can't be measured then there is no success.
  - LLWM 12y ago
    Unlike you, I don't believe success, or really anything, is necessary to justify the existence of the NSA or what they do. Realistically, that boat sailed the first time necessary and proper was invoked.
    - Cyther606 12y ago
      How considerate. As if the legal system matters at all to the existence of the NSA. Wikimedia's case notwithstanding, it's abundantly clear the spy agencies can only be peacefully resisted with privacy enhancing technology. It's obvious why they've been degrading public cryptographic standards and pushing for back doors.
      - LLWM 12y ago
        It's abundantly clear that they can't, for exactly the reasons you mention.
- Cyther606 12y ago
  The Stasi controlled every aspect of life in East Germany, including the postal service and communications industry. In the US, FOIA documents reveal a history of domestic political spying on civil-rights leaders such as MLK, and on a wide variety of legitimate organizations. Throughout history, suspicionless surveillance has been carried out by mafioso to oppress and control. Of your suspicionless surveillance, you assert "this time is different". The assertion fails. The Nazis could use your arguments word for word on dissenters of the Gestapo.
  - LLWM 12y ago
    >Of your suspicionless surveillance, you assert "this time is different". Where did I do that?

balabaster 12y ago

You mean such as ISIS/ISIL, Al Quada et al?

dubbel 12y ago
Merkel is ISIS? I am Al-Qaeda? And everyone I write with who is a US citizen can be monitored, too?
- balabaster 12y ago
  Well that seems very much up for debate by the powers that are the U.S. Government... if you're not an American you're a potential terrorist; if however, you are an American, you're a potential terrorist too. So they're just gonna record everything and if you float, you're a witch and they'll burn you at the stake and if you drown then you were innocent and... sucks to be you; Oh wait, that was something else...

LLWM 12y ago

The point of omnipresent surveillance is to be proactive and prevent threats before they arise. There is no way to measure its success. If you oppose it, pick a better reason to base your argument on.

jacquesm 12y ago
I have this banana in my ear... Threats to what? > There is no way to measure its success. Convenient > If you oppose it, pick a better reason to base your argument on. If you support it, pick a better reason to base your argument on. If success can't be measured then there is no success.
- LLWM 12y ago
  Unlike you, I don't believe success, or really anything, is necessary to justify the existence of the NSA or what they do. Realistically, that boat sailed the first time necessary and proper was invoked.
  - Cyther606 12y ago
    How considerate. As if the legal system matters at all to the existence of the NSA. Wikimedia's case notwithstanding, it's abundantly clear the spy agencies can only be peacefully resisted with privacy enhancing technology. It's obvious why they've been degrading public cryptographic standards and pushing for back doors.
    - LLWM 12y ago
      It's abundantly clear that they can't, for exactly the reasons you mention.
Cyther606 12y ago
The Stasi controlled every aspect of life in East Germany, including the postal service and communications industry. In the US, FOIA documents reveal a history of domestic political spying on civil-rights leaders such as MLK, and on a wide variety of legitimate organizations. Throughout history, suspicionless surveillance has been carried out by mafioso to oppress and control. Of your suspicionless surveillance, you assert "this time is different". The assertion fails. The Nazis could use your arguments word for word on dissenters of the Gestapo.
- LLWM 12y ago
  >Of your suspicionless surveillance, you assert "this time is different". Where did I do that?