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I wouldn't be surprised if a prosecutor used historic data of repeat sex offenders to justify it as a reasonable search. Given the horrors of sex crimes, partic

by owly 12y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if a prosecutor used historic data of repeat sex offenders to justify it as a reasonable search. Given the horrors of sex crimes, particularly committed against children, I don't think this would be hard to argue.

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aNoob7000 12y ago
I'm not sure if you read the article but this is monitoring after the individual has served his/her time.
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Lawtonfogle 12y ago
Sex offenders have one of the lowest rates of reoffending.
- strictnein 12y ago
  Link? Also, I'm sure any crime that puts you in jail for longer periods of time have lower rates of reoffending, since you're in jail. Murderers also likely have low rates of reoffending.
  - bougiefever 12y ago
    You mean murderers who have been caught. The rate of solving murders has declined a lot in the last 50 years. NPR just did a special on that, but I couldn't find the link. Does anyone know about the rate of re-offending of murderers who have not been caught? Of course, in order to find that out, you have to solve the murders and look at the behavior of the murderer before they were caught or died.
  - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
    Reoffense tends to be measure a number of years once released (such as 5 years) and not over a lifetime (because in that case the length of a prison sentence would matter). Part of it has to do with why crimes are committed. Most sex offenders and murders are not serial rapists/killers, and as such only offend in very specific situations (such as killing a wife who was caught cheating). These situations are likely to not happen again. Compare this to other crimes which are more related to crimes of need. Joining a gang for the protection it offers (even if it doesn't actually offer protection, the individuals think it does) is not a situation that goes away. If anything during prison they become closer to the gang as they group up within prison to survive. Someone who was addicted to drugs is really likely to relapse into their addiction. Most individuals selling drugs have even less legal opportunities to earn money once they get out than before. And this isn't even getting into the class aspect of things. It isn't something that is really captured in a single paper but rather a larger topic.
    - thaumasiotes 12y ago
      > Reoffense tends to be measure a number of years once released (such as 5 years) and not over a lifetime (because in that case the length of a prison sentence would matter). It matters anyway. If you give someone a long prison sentence, their personality will be different when they get out. Crime is a youth phenomenon.
      - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
        In which case we should be focusing on the age when they committed their offense as well as (or maybe instead of) the crime they committed. And this is assuming there is significant differences in the age of release per crime.
ratzkewatzke 12y ago
The Supreme Court was careful not to rule on that; they ruled only that it was a search, not that it was constitutionally unreasonable. There is good coverage of this decision by Orin Kerr at http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/30/affixing-ankle-bracelet-to-monitor-suspect-is-a-search-supreme-court-holds/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015... .

by owly 12y ago

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aNoob7000 12y ago

I'm not sure if you read the article but this is monitoring after the individual has served his/her time.

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Lawtonfogle 12y ago

Sex offenders have one of the lowest rates of reoffending.

strictnein 12y ago
Link? Also, I'm sure any crime that puts you in jail for longer periods of time have lower rates of reoffending, since you're in jail. Murderers also likely have low rates of reoffending.
- bougiefever 12y ago
  You mean murderers who have been caught. The rate of solving murders has declined a lot in the last 50 years. NPR just did a special on that, but I couldn't find the link. Does anyone know about the rate of re-offending of murderers who have not been caught? Of course, in order to find that out, you have to solve the murders and look at the behavior of the murderer before they were caught or died.
- Lawtonfogle 12y ago
  Reoffense tends to be measure a number of years once released (such as 5 years) and not over a lifetime (because in that case the length of a prison sentence would matter). Part of it has to do with why crimes are committed. Most sex offenders and murders are not serial rapists/killers, and as such only offend in very specific situations (such as killing a wife who was caught cheating). These situations are likely to not happen again. Compare this to other crimes which are more related to crimes of need. Joining a gang for the protection it offers (even if it doesn't actually offer protection, the individuals think it does) is not a situation that goes away. If anything during prison they become closer to the gang as they group up within prison to survive. Someone who was addicted to drugs is really likely to relapse into their addiction. Most individuals selling drugs have even less legal opportunities to earn money once they get out than before. And this isn't even getting into the class aspect of things. It isn't something that is really captured in a single paper but rather a larger topic.
  - thaumasiotes 12y ago
    > Reoffense tends to be measure a number of years once released (such as 5 years) and not over a lifetime (because in that case the length of a prison sentence would matter). It matters anyway. If you give someone a long prison sentence, their personality will be different when they get out. Crime is a youth phenomenon.
    - Lawtonfogle 12y ago
      In which case we should be focusing on the age when they committed their offense as well as (or maybe instead of) the crime they committed. And this is assuming there is significant differences in the age of release per crime.

ratzkewatzke 12y ago

The Supreme Court was careful not to rule on that; they ruled only that it was a search, not that it was constitutionally unreasonable. There is good coverage of this decision by Orin Kerr at http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/30/affixing-ankle-bracelet-to-monitor-suspect-is-a-search-supreme-court-holds/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015... .