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I don't understand this perspective of if you're willing to work for the government you're joining the dark side. If you aren't willing to work freely to make y

by ohashi 12y ago

I don't understand this perspective of if you're willing to work for the government you're joining the dark side. If you aren't willing to work freely to make your own government better, what good are you as a citizen? He's willingly started a new job to try to improve people's lives. You want to make the government better? You have two major options, voting and joining the government and actually taking responsibility for some tiny piece of it.

sarciszewski 12y ago
> I don't understand this perspective of if you're willing to work for the government you're joining the dark side. The US government does more bad than good. http://www.livingunderdrones.org/ http://www.livingunderdrones.org/ http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/17/3568232/the-united-states-had-even-more-prisoners-in-2013/ http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/17/3568232/the-unit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_%282013%E2%80%93present%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure... > If you aren't willing to work freely to make your own government better, what good are you as a citizen? Agreed. That's why I applaud Nacin; I believe he is someone who has enough strength of character to help move the US government towards a better good:evil balance. > He's willingly started a new job to try to improve people's lives. Agreed. > You want to make the government better? You have two major options, voting and joining the government and actually taking responsibility for some tiny piece of it. Well, they took my voting right away (which means it's not really a right, it's a temporary privilege). :P No; I'm going to take the path less traveled. I'm going to try and improve everyone's lives, regardless of where they live. Borders be damned. Ethnicity, gender identity, sexuality... none of these things matter at all. American or not, we're all human. If I ever help any government, it will be on a city level, not a nation-state level. Which is probably closer to what Andrew Nacin is doing now. If you don't like that answer, simply walk your own path in life. This is mine.
- ohashi 12y ago
  I'm not sure I have the moral authority to weigh the good and bad things the US government does and choose which it does more of. I think we agree on just about everything else. Local government is good, it always starts local.
  - sarciszewski 12y ago
    Heh. That sounds like a very typical christian American answer. I say the federal government is more evil than good. I point to its atrocities and overwhelming apathy towards its own atrocities, while at the same time being wholly insecure about the whole ordeal and classifying everything it can. Why do they have so much to hide if they haven't done anything wrong? :] I believe the problems are more cultural than just a few bad apples in power. America will be a lot better off when it returns to being truer to the Constitution, while it is a flawed document, on which our government was founded. We're still moving further away from this; though the rate does ebb regularly. Gay marriage is almost ubiquitous, yet the right to privacy that was interpreted by our judiciary to be implied by the fourth amendment shrinks every year. If anyone hopes to make change, they can start by actually making sure their local judges are competent and suited for the job. Even if this means running against them in local elections.

by ohashi 12y ago

sarciszewski 12y ago

> I don't understand this perspective of if you're willing to work for the government you're joining the dark side. The US government does more bad than good. http://www.livingunderdrones.org/ http://www.livingunderdrones.org/ http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/17/3568232/the-united-states-had-even-more-prisoners-in-2013/ http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/17/3568232/the-unit... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_%282013%E2%80%93present%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure... > If you aren't willing to work freely to make your own government better, what good are you as a citizen? Agreed. That's why I applaud Nacin; I believe he is someone who has enough strength of character to help move the US government towards a better good:evil balance. > He's willingly started a new job to try to improve people's lives. Agreed. > You want to make the government better? You have two major options, voting and joining the government and actually taking responsibility for some tiny piece of it. Well, they took my voting right away (which means it's not really a right, it's a temporary privilege). :P No; I'm going to take the path less traveled. I'm going to try and improve everyone's lives, regardless of where they live. Borders be damned. Ethnicity, gender identity, sexuality... none of these things matter at all. American or not, we're all human. If I ever help any government, it will be on a city level, not a nation-state level. Which is probably closer to what Andrew Nacin is doing now. If you don't like that answer, simply walk your own path in life. This is mine.

ohashi 12y ago
I'm not sure I have the moral authority to weigh the good and bad things the US government does and choose which it does more of. I think we agree on just about everything else. Local government is good, it always starts local.
- sarciszewski 12y ago
  Heh. That sounds like a very typical christian American answer. I say the federal government is more evil than good. I point to its atrocities and overwhelming apathy towards its own atrocities, while at the same time being wholly insecure about the whole ordeal and classifying everything it can. Why do they have so much to hide if they haven't done anything wrong? :] I believe the problems are more cultural than just a few bad apples in power. America will be a lot better off when it returns to being truer to the Constitution, while it is a flawed document, on which our government was founded. We're still moving further away from this; though the rate does ebb regularly. Gay marriage is almost ubiquitous, yet the right to privacy that was interpreted by our judiciary to be implied by the fourth amendment shrinks every year. If anyone hopes to make change, they can start by actually making sure their local judges are competent and suited for the job. Even if this means running against them in local elections.