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The Systemd Project Forks the Linux Kernel

50 points by dezgeg 12y ago

hias 12y ago
so they finally jumped the shark ;-)
hleszek 12y ago
Checking the calendar: not yet first april...
- digi_owl 12y ago
  Yeah i am not sure how to parse this. the name mentioned in the article and attached to the referenced github repo comes up blank on a quick search. Best i can tell someone took the time to clone the systemd source and then merge the Linux source into that. Since then, nothing...
- computer 12y ago
  Looks like a weekly magazine, so this edition would cover April 1st.
fsniper 12y ago
April fools or the real intension faces water at last?
- networked 12y ago
  >[...] According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd[...] I'd say it's a prank but I don't think it's April 1st anywhere in the world yet.
  - digi_owl 12y ago
    A quick search comes up blank on that name.
    - pvdebbe 12y ago
      And the "fork" has been gathering dust for two weeks now, with zero activity and "followers". Plus the name is a bogus as well.
    - palmer_eldritch 12y ago
      Just a quick note about that name "Ivan Gotyaovich": Got ya! -ovitch. It sounds much more like a prank than a real name.
      - slikts 12y ago
        Yeah, there's no such surname as "Готяович"; it's made up.
joosters 12y ago
They're planning on getting rid of NetworkManager, so they can't be completely evil :-)
- digi_owl 12y ago
  Bah, sounds like a cure worse than the disease.
simgidacav 12y ago
The fork won't last long I guess...
sspiff 12y ago
This is not the real systemD repository. This is just some random guy on the internet who snagged the GitHub username "systemdaemon". Have a look here: https://github.com/systemdaemon https://github.com/systemdaemon A profile created two weeks ago, with a single repository, 0 stars and 1 commit over its entire lifetime. This is a transparant hoax, and I don't understand how Distrowatch (and the HN community) has not seen through it yet...
- 616c 12y ago
  Thanks for shedding real data on the issue. I was skeptical myself. I checked out Poettering's Google+ profile and see no mention of this yet, and I was kind of surprised.
616c 12y ago
I am kind of disappointed that there is some baity qualities to this article, specifically referencing how Linus chewed out a systemd developer. He did that, but I recall it not being directly related to his work on systemd and it negatively impacting the kernel. Kay Sievers is a well-known problem causer as Linus is concerned, so this is not news. Keep in mind if you find the mailing list thread referred to, Greg Hartmann (gregkh), the release maintainer of the Linux kernel, arguably part of the inner echelons, is responsible for the kdbus branch eventually getting merged into the mainline kernel, that is the kernel driver that will internalize dbus as a main (if not only) IPC of the kernel and reducing the overheard of using dbus now (reducing 12 operations per dbus call to 3 inside the kdbus driver, IIRC from Lennart's video). Again, this is the work of Lennart Poettering pulseaudio fame, and now much more heated systemd fame. So to pretend the Linux kernel is opposed systemd work is not truthful. Some core devs have taken it on and are staking themselves on it. If this gregkh tidbit does not make that obvious I do not know what does. Can someone who knows more comment on what the substantive changes are thus far? Is the kdbus work a prime motivator of this? I love systemd hate as much as the next guy, but I was hoping we would get more facts from the HN crowd. (EDIT: I know I will get downvoted, but I do use systemd and I am not its biggest fan; I just used Arch and got used to it; everyone has a right to choose their tools, and init systems ain't different.)
raverbashing 12y ago
Here's a group that can take criticism nicely... Let's feign surprise. Of course the kernel is GPL and forking is allowed, but I have yet to see such an idiotic case of tail wagging the dog. Maybe the guy that wanted to "prove" he's better at managing the Redis than Antirez is a strong contest
thaumaturgy 12y ago
Debian forums concludes it's a joke too: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=121167 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=121167 sigh Guess my news blackout period is gonna have to start extending from March 30 to April 2 now. Lame.

50 points by dezgeg 12y ago

hias 12y ago

so they finally jumped the shark ;-)

hleszek 12y ago

Checking the calendar: not yet first april...

digi_owl 12y ago
Yeah i am not sure how to parse this. the name mentioned in the article and attached to the referenced github repo comes up blank on a quick search. Best i can tell someone took the time to clone the systemd source and then merge the Linux source into that. Since then, nothing...
computer 12y ago
Looks like a weekly magazine, so this edition would cover April 1st.

fsniper 12y ago

April fools or the real intension faces water at last?

networked 12y ago
>[...] According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd[...] I'd say it's a prank but I don't think it's April 1st anywhere in the world yet.
- digi_owl 12y ago
  A quick search comes up blank on that name.
  - pvdebbe 12y ago
    And the "fork" has been gathering dust for two weeks now, with zero activity and "followers". Plus the name is a bogus as well.
  - palmer_eldritch 12y ago
    Just a quick note about that name "Ivan Gotyaovich": Got ya! -ovitch. It sounds much more like a prank than a real name.
    - slikts 12y ago
      Yeah, there's no such surname as "Готяович"; it's made up.

joosters 12y ago

They're planning on getting rid of NetworkManager, so they can't be completely evil :-)

digi_owl 12y ago
Bah, sounds like a cure worse than the disease.

simgidacav 12y ago

The fork won't last long I guess...

sspiff 12y ago

This is not the real systemD repository. This is just some random guy on the internet who snagged the GitHub username "systemdaemon". Have a look here: https://github.com/systemdaemon https://github.com/systemdaemon A profile created two weeks ago, with a single repository, 0 stars and 1 commit over its entire lifetime. This is a transparant hoax, and I don't understand how Distrowatch (and the HN community) has not seen through it yet...

616c 12y ago
Thanks for shedding real data on the issue. I was skeptical myself. I checked out Poettering's Google+ profile and see no mention of this yet, and I was kind of surprised.

616c 12y ago

I am kind of disappointed that there is some baity qualities to this article, specifically referencing how Linus chewed out a systemd developer. He did that, but I recall it not being directly related to his work on systemd and it negatively impacting the kernel. Kay Sievers is a well-known problem causer as Linus is concerned, so this is not news. Keep in mind if you find the mailing list thread referred to, Greg Hartmann (gregkh), the release maintainer of the Linux kernel, arguably part of the inner echelons, is responsible for the kdbus branch eventually getting merged into the mainline kernel, that is the kernel driver that will internalize dbus as a main (if not only) IPC of the kernel and reducing the overheard of using dbus now (reducing 12 operations per dbus call to 3 inside the kdbus driver, IIRC from Lennart's video). Again, this is the work of Lennart Poettering pulseaudio fame, and now much more heated systemd fame. So to pretend the Linux kernel is opposed systemd work is not truthful. Some core devs have taken it on and are staking themselves on it. If this gregkh tidbit does not make that obvious I do not know what does. Can someone who knows more comment on what the substantive changes are thus far? Is the kdbus work a prime motivator of this? I love systemd hate as much as the next guy, but I was hoping we would get more facts from the HN crowd. (EDIT: I know I will get downvoted, but I do use systemd and I am not its biggest fan; I just used Arch and got used to it; everyone has a right to choose their tools, and init systems ain't different.)

raverbashing 12y ago

Here's a group that can take criticism nicely... Let's feign surprise. Of course the kernel is GPL and forking is allowed, but I have yet to see such an idiotic case of tail wagging the dog. Maybe the guy that wanted to "prove" he's better at managing the Redis than Antirez is a strong contest

thaumaturgy 12y ago

Debian forums concludes it's a joke too: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=121167 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=121167 sigh Guess my news blackout period is gonna have to start extending from March 30 to April 2 now. Lame.