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While it's nice to see a large news organization reporting the attack, it would still be nice to see a political figure aknowledge that an American company was

While it's nice to see a large news organization reporting the attack, it would still be nice to see a political figure aknowledge that an American company was cyber attacked by the Chinese government

teamhappy 12y ago
Not happening, because: 1. You need facts to back that claim 2. $1.3 trillion debt 3. Stuxnet et al. Nobody gains anything from opening that particular door.
- ikeboy 12y ago
  Ahem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_China#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_China#United_S... http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbi-warns-u-s-businesses-china-backed-cyberattacks-n226821 http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbi-warns-u-s-businesse... http://www.darkreading.com/risk-management/china-cyber-espionage-threatens-us-report-says/d/d-id/1085047 http://www.darkreading.com/risk-management/china-cyber-espio... http://www.investing.com/news/technology-news/chinese-hacked-u.s.-military-contractors,-senate-probe-finds-309836 http://www.investing.com/news/technology-news/chinese-hacked...
  - teamhappy 12y ago
    You should read the articles before you post them. > The United States has accused China [...] China has denied accusations of cyberwarfare, and has accused the United States [...] > The FBI warned U.S. businesses on Wednesday that hackers it believes to be backed by the Chinese government [...] > [...] Chinese espionage and cyber espionage activities may be carried out by individuals without obvious government ties. (Emphasis is mine.) That seems to be the game we're playing. Everybody is super concerned but nobody's actually doing anything for the aforementioned reasons. // ↓ Fair point (the accusation bit) If an accusation is all the OP wants, I don't see why anybody would doubt that will happen tomorrow.
    - ikeboy 12y ago
      OP wanted "a political figure acknowledge that an American company was cyber attacked by the Chinese government" That's an accusation, and that happened many times. What OP wants already happened. >Hackers associated with the Chinese government have repeatedly infiltrated the computer systems of U.S. airlines, technology companies and other contractors involved in the movement of U.S. troops and military equipment, a U.S. Senate panel has found. >In May U.S. authorities charged five Chinese military officers, accusing them of hacking into American nuclear, metal and solar companies to steal trade secrets.
- fennecfoxen 12y ago
  Ha! Many politicians have plenty to gain if they can make the current administration look bad. And if China started selling US debt (instead of buying it) then it might give the Republican party leverage in budget negotiations and deficit-reduction efforts, to boot. US policy is not a monolith.
  - banku_brougham 12y ago
    A little out of date. The trend of USD higher means China doesn't have to buy as much treasury. In fact I think recently bloomberg reported China is not a huge net buyer these days. I guess you would like citations, but here's the bottom line: The US ten-year is < 2%. Bunds are _negative_ rate out to 7 years. Rates are sinking worldwide, and the U.S. isn't producing enough paper to satisfy demand. So what you said doesn't make sense.
- toomuchtodo 12y ago
  > 2. $1.3 trillion debt Good luck collecting on that. Forcing the US' hand on debt only does two things: * Accelerates the departure from fossil fuels (where capital flows out to foreign countries) * Accelerates the automation of manufacturing in the US, thereby bringing manufacturing back to US soil and further depressing consumer demand for Chinese-produced goods (my understand China's economy is already sputtering; this would not help). First world countries have taken advantage of China's industrialization in order to enjoy cheap consumer goods long enough for local manufacturing automation to be bootstrapped. "If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."

teamhappy 12y ago

Not happening, because: 1. You need facts to back that claim 2. $1.3 trillion debt 3. Stuxnet et al. Nobody gains anything from opening that particular door.

ikeboy 12y ago
Ahem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_China#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_in_China#United_S... http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbi-warns-u-s-businesses-china-backed-cyberattacks-n226821 http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/fbi-warns-u-s-businesse... http://www.darkreading.com/risk-management/china-cyber-espionage-threatens-us-report-says/d/d-id/1085047 http://www.darkreading.com/risk-management/china-cyber-espio... http://www.investing.com/news/technology-news/chinese-hacked-u.s.-military-contractors,-senate-probe-finds-309836 http://www.investing.com/news/technology-news/chinese-hacked...
- teamhappy 12y ago
  You should read the articles before you post them. > The United States has accused China [...] China has denied accusations of cyberwarfare, and has accused the United States [...] > The FBI warned U.S. businesses on Wednesday that hackers it believes to be backed by the Chinese government [...] > [...] Chinese espionage and cyber espionage activities may be carried out by individuals without obvious government ties. (Emphasis is mine.) That seems to be the game we're playing. Everybody is super concerned but nobody's actually doing anything for the aforementioned reasons. // ↓ Fair point (the accusation bit) If an accusation is all the OP wants, I don't see why anybody would doubt that will happen tomorrow.
  - ikeboy 12y ago
    OP wanted "a political figure acknowledge that an American company was cyber attacked by the Chinese government" That's an accusation, and that happened many times. What OP wants already happened. >Hackers associated with the Chinese government have repeatedly infiltrated the computer systems of U.S. airlines, technology companies and other contractors involved in the movement of U.S. troops and military equipment, a U.S. Senate panel has found. >In May U.S. authorities charged five Chinese military officers, accusing them of hacking into American nuclear, metal and solar companies to steal trade secrets.
fennecfoxen 12y ago
Ha! Many politicians have plenty to gain if they can make the current administration look bad. And if China started selling US debt (instead of buying it) then it might give the Republican party leverage in budget negotiations and deficit-reduction efforts, to boot. US policy is not a monolith.
- banku_brougham 12y ago
  A little out of date. The trend of USD higher means China doesn't have to buy as much treasury. In fact I think recently bloomberg reported China is not a huge net buyer these days. I guess you would like citations, but here's the bottom line: The US ten-year is < 2%. Bunds are _negative_ rate out to 7 years. Rates are sinking worldwide, and the U.S. isn't producing enough paper to satisfy demand. So what you said doesn't make sense.
toomuchtodo 12y ago
> 2. $1.3 trillion debt Good luck collecting on that. Forcing the US' hand on debt only does two things: * Accelerates the departure from fossil fuels (where capital flows out to foreign countries) * Accelerates the automation of manufacturing in the US, thereby bringing manufacturing back to US soil and further depressing consumer demand for Chinese-produced goods (my understand China's economy is already sputtering; this would not help). First world countries have taken advantage of China's industrialization in order to enjoy cheap consumer goods long enough for local manufacturing automation to be bootstrapped. "If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."