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> $14500 This seems rather steep and definitely not the norm at Canadian universities. Take a look for example at UBC [1]. It's about 2-3 more than the actual

by vlasev 12y ago

> $14500 This seems rather steep and definitely not the norm at Canadian universities. Take a look for example at UBC [1]. It's about 2-3 more than the actual number for most programs for domestic students. And also rather low for international students. It's similar for U of T [2] and McGill [3]. > $25000/year for daycare for two kids Wow more than a 1000 dollars per kid? That's quite a bit. Is that typical? [1]: http://students.ubc.ca/enrolment/finances/tuition/undergraduate-tuition-fees http://students.ubc.ca/enrolment/finances/tuition/undergradu... [2]: http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/cost-of-university/ http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/cost-of-university/ [3]: http://www.mcgill.ca/student-accounts/tuition-charges/fallwinter-term-tuition-and-fees/undergraduate-fees http://www.mcgill.ca/student-accounts/tuition-charges/fallwi...

JabavuAdams 12y ago
University of Toronto, Engineering Science Winter 2014-2015: http://www.fees.utoronto.ca/Assets/Student+Accounts+Digital+Assets/14+15+Schedules/14+15+APSC+dom.pdf http://www.fees.utoronto.ca/Assets/Student+Accounts+Digital+... EDIT> And Waterloo (see CS and Systems Engineering): https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/financing/fees https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/financing/fees I was referring to top engineering programs that are competitive with top US engineering and CS schools. EDIT2> I doubt that the daycare rate is typical, in general, but it's typical for the area of Toronto that we live in. Overall, though, daycare is very expensive.
- hiyou102 12y ago
  I'm pretty sure UBC is pretty competitive, at least from a rankings perspective. It's just one of the few schools that has a cheap engineering program.
radicalbyte 12y ago
>> $25000/year for daycare for two kids > Wow more than a 1000 dollars per kid? > That's quite a bit. > Is that typical? It's cheap. We pay 700 EUR/month for 2 days/week daycare for one child here in The Netherlands.
- zo1 12y ago
  $200/month for 5 days/week daycare for one child... Here in South Africa. I'd chalk it up to "cost of living" differences, but I'd say there is a whole lot more to it. Certifications, licenses, insurance, minimum wages. All these things affect the price, so we can't entirely compare the prices as apples to apples.
  - radicalbyte 12y ago
    South Africa's a strange comparison: labour utilization there is low and the gap between poor and middle class is large. If I was to live there I'd pay much more in healthcare, but housing, childcare and laborer is really cheap. (source: family who live there).
- briandear 12y ago
  In France we pay about zero per month for three kids.
  - radicalbyte 12y ago
    Wow. Is the subsidy available to all or is it salary-based? The government here removed the subsidy here for higher incomes (~$100k+ year combined). What they didn't remove was the extra tax that both employer and employee have to pay to "cover" childcare for the first child. The second/third children are heavily subsidized (90%). So in my situation, I'm just above the threshold and have 1 child; so am lucky enough to have almost no subsidy whilst still paying extra tax for the privilege. Double dipping. Luckily for the government here I can't vote (British citizen), and I'm a compassionate capitalist so generally agree with the idea of spreading wealth around (we just do a horrible job at taxing capital gains and inheritance; I'd happily pay progressive 70-99% on the top of my net-worth if the tax was applied consistently, fairly and accounted for income over time in a fair way (so taxes are normalized over years; for sports people and the like))........

by vlasev 12y ago

JabavuAdams 12y ago

University of Toronto, Engineering Science Winter 2014-2015: http://www.fees.utoronto.ca/Assets/Student+Accounts+Digital+Assets/14+15+Schedules/14+15+APSC+dom.pdf http://www.fees.utoronto.ca/Assets/Student+Accounts+Digital+... EDIT> And Waterloo (see CS and Systems Engineering): https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/financing/fees https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/financing/fees I was referring to top engineering programs that are competitive with top US engineering and CS schools. EDIT2> I doubt that the daycare rate is typical, in general, but it's typical for the area of Toronto that we live in. Overall, though, daycare is very expensive.

hiyou102 12y ago
I'm pretty sure UBC is pretty competitive, at least from a rankings perspective. It's just one of the few schools that has a cheap engineering program.

radicalbyte 12y ago

>> $25000/year for daycare for two kids > Wow more than a 1000 dollars per kid? > That's quite a bit. > Is that typical? It's cheap. We pay 700 EUR/month for 2 days/week daycare for one child here in The Netherlands.

zo1 12y ago
$200/month for 5 days/week daycare for one child... Here in South Africa. I'd chalk it up to "cost of living" differences, but I'd say there is a whole lot more to it. Certifications, licenses, insurance, minimum wages. All these things affect the price, so we can't entirely compare the prices as apples to apples.
- radicalbyte 12y ago
  South Africa's a strange comparison: labour utilization there is low and the gap between poor and middle class is large. If I was to live there I'd pay much more in healthcare, but housing, childcare and laborer is really cheap. (source: family who live there).
briandear 12y ago
In France we pay about zero per month for three kids.
- radicalbyte 12y ago
  Wow. Is the subsidy available to all or is it salary-based? The government here removed the subsidy here for higher incomes (~$100k+ year combined). What they didn't remove was the extra tax that both employer and employee have to pay to "cover" childcare for the first child. The second/third children are heavily subsidized (90%). So in my situation, I'm just above the threshold and have 1 child; so am lucky enough to have almost no subsidy whilst still paying extra tax for the privilege. Double dipping. Luckily for the government here I can't vote (British citizen), and I'm a compassionate capitalist so generally agree with the idea of spreading wealth around (we just do a horrible job at taxing capital gains and inheritance; I'd happily pay progressive 70-99% on the top of my net-worth if the tax was applied consistently, fairly and accounted for income over time in a fair way (so taxes are normalized over years; for sports people and the like))........