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A positive development, overall. Based on my conversations, I think a lot of tech people are closeted neoreactionaries, but maybe the climate has developed that

A positive development, overall. Based on my conversations, I think a lot of tech people are closeted neoreactionaries, but maybe the climate has developed that we can come out?

eli_gottlieb 12y ago
Of course, a disturbingly large amount of tech people are uncloseted neoreactionaries, for a profession that simply cannot work at all without the scientific mentality of the Enlightenment.
- theorique 12y ago
  What number or fraction is acceptable before it becomes "disturbingly" large? A lot of good math and science was done before the Enlightenment - look at Newton or Euler or Descartes, for example. The scientific environment often operates rather independently of the political environment - the Soviets also had high-quality science going on.
  - eli_gottlieb 12y ago
    >A lot of good math and science was done before the Enlightenment - look at Newton or Euler or Descartes, for example. The scientific environment often operates rather independently of the political environment - the Soviets also had high-quality science going on. Newton and Descartes are considered part of the Enlightenment, and you cannot conduct high-quality science while the politicians are telling you that conclusions like "evolution operates by natural selection" (re: Lysenkoism) or "there's no evidence for a natural hierarchy of races" (re: both current and previous incarnations of racism) will lose you your job.
    - user7923489 12y ago
      If even politicians are unable to differentiate extremism in thought experiments and science vs. actual action, then how bad must it be among the general population? Doesn't that consideration justify placing certain things under a taboo?
      - eli_gottlieb 12y ago
        >If even politicians are unable to differentiate extremism in thought experiments and science vs. actual action, then how bad must it be among the general population? What do you mean, even? Politicians are much worse than the general population at ever admitting to thinking clearly: their chief occupation is righteousness signaling.
    - theorique 12y ago
      Scientists who speak publicly about racial / geographical correlations with almost anything "interesting" (e.g. athletics, intelligence) are swimming in extremely dangerous waters. We saw this in the past couple of years with the media tarring-and-feathering of Harvard psychologist Jason Richwine, and geneticist James Watson. Nobody wants to go near that area - it's the 3rd rail of biological and psychological science.
tomjen3 12y ago
Given that tech is as anti-autoritarian as it is (and given that it has to be) I don't believe it is a good thing. Democrazy has its flaws but it is damn good at two things: making it fanatically difficult to get a revolution going and keeping the masses thinking they have some influence. Its main problem is that it doesn't curb the spread of government.

A positive development, overall. Based on my conversations, I think a lot of tech people are closeted neoreactionaries, but maybe the climate has developed that we can come out?

eli_gottlieb 12y ago

Of course, a disturbingly large amount of tech people are uncloseted neoreactionaries, for a profession that simply cannot work at all without the scientific mentality of the Enlightenment.

theorique 12y ago
What number or fraction is acceptable before it becomes "disturbingly" large? A lot of good math and science was done before the Enlightenment - look at Newton or Euler or Descartes, for example. The scientific environment often operates rather independently of the political environment - the Soviets also had high-quality science going on.
- eli_gottlieb 12y ago
  >A lot of good math and science was done before the Enlightenment - look at Newton or Euler or Descartes, for example. The scientific environment often operates rather independently of the political environment - the Soviets also had high-quality science going on. Newton and Descartes are considered part of the Enlightenment, and you cannot conduct high-quality science while the politicians are telling you that conclusions like "evolution operates by natural selection" (re: Lysenkoism) or "there's no evidence for a natural hierarchy of races" (re: both current and previous incarnations of racism) will lose you your job.
  - user7923489 12y ago
    If even politicians are unable to differentiate extremism in thought experiments and science vs. actual action, then how bad must it be among the general population? Doesn't that consideration justify placing certain things under a taboo?
    - eli_gottlieb 12y ago
      >If even politicians are unable to differentiate extremism in thought experiments and science vs. actual action, then how bad must it be among the general population? What do you mean, even? Politicians are much worse than the general population at ever admitting to thinking clearly: their chief occupation is righteousness signaling.
  - theorique 12y ago
    Scientists who speak publicly about racial / geographical correlations with almost anything "interesting" (e.g. athletics, intelligence) are swimming in extremely dangerous waters. We saw this in the past couple of years with the media tarring-and-feathering of Harvard psychologist Jason Richwine, and geneticist James Watson. Nobody wants to go near that area - it's the 3rd rail of biological and psychological science.

tomjen3 12y ago

Given that tech is as anti-autoritarian as it is (and given that it has to be) I don't believe it is a good thing. Democrazy has its flaws but it is damn good at two things: making it fanatically difficult to get a revolution going and keeping the masses thinking they have some influence. Its main problem is that it doesn't curb the spread of government.