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by adamv99 12y ago

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mc32 12y ago
I think this is among the reasons H1Bs are typically not supported by the tech community, usually on the grounds the worker is beholden to the employer and are in an unfair bargaining position, but it could also be that most just don't want downward pressure on their compensation. Doctors, lawyers, technicians, programmers, etc. Still, it's not cut and dried, at some point too many people will make an too much pressure on resources. Ie north Americans Europeans and east Asians consume per capita much more than people emerging economies. Want to see this journalist change their mind, allow any journalist to settle in the us, anon and begin working legally. So, when the blue collar worker sees a threat from unskilled immigrants, it's not surprising. Ask them if they would feel the same dislike for Mexican and Brazilian a d Indian doctors, probably not.
- FD3SA 12y ago
  Doctors, lawyers, nurses, and the majority of other professions have very powerful guilds which ban the practice of their trade without a specific license only obtainable within the country of practice. You don't see local hospitals posting H1B openings for physicians, because the American Medical Association would eradiate them off the face of the planet. Want to practice in the US as a foreign trained MD? You have to apply to retrain here, with very specific restrictions, and compete against thousands of other expats. You will never be competing directly against American MDs. This is in direct contrast to the tech industry, which has exactly zero licensing bodies with the ability to dictate who can practice within the profession. Hence, H1Bs galore. People always make the mistake of comparing highly regulated industries to tech. They couldn't be further apart. A commenter on the Pao case raised this exact point: maybe women are too smart to get into a dog-eat-dog industry like tech! Women sure as heck have no qualms about law, medicine or nursing! Three professions with excellent guild protections and career stability once an initial licensing hurdle is passed. For better or worse, tech is the wild west of professions. All things considered it's absurdly risky to get into, but for the few superstar talents, it's very lucrative because there are no barriers to entry. For the above average vet with 40 years of experience though, it can be a nightmare, as an eager H1B will sign up for indentured servitude any day to escape third world poverty. I wouldn't recommend the tech industry to my kids. Too much volatility and risk. You're better off having a steady profession, and pursuing bootstrapped startups on the side. If your idea gets traction, you can always stop practising your profession and return at a later date. That's the beauty of guilds like the AMA, you'll never be thrown under the bus for a quick buck, because the status of an MD cannot be devalued.
Potando 12y ago
People at the lower end of the labor market are also adversely affected by each other. Why are they not proposing deportation of low-skilled Americans? No justification seems to escape from the fact that anti-immigration is fundamentally just discriminatory tribalism no different from racism and homophobia like the OP's father had.
- bruceb 12y ago
  So you will be giving up your citizenship?

by adamv99 12y ago

mc32 12y ago

I think this is among the reasons H1Bs are typically not supported by the tech community, usually on the grounds the worker is beholden to the employer and are in an unfair bargaining position, but it could also be that most just don't want downward pressure on their compensation. Doctors, lawyers, technicians, programmers, etc. Still, it's not cut and dried, at some point too many people will make an too much pressure on resources. Ie north Americans Europeans and east Asians consume per capita much more than people emerging economies. Want to see this journalist change their mind, allow any journalist to settle in the us, anon and begin working legally. So, when the blue collar worker sees a threat from unskilled immigrants, it's not surprising. Ask them if they would feel the same dislike for Mexican and Brazilian a d Indian doctors, probably not.

FD3SA 12y ago
Doctors, lawyers, nurses, and the majority of other professions have very powerful guilds which ban the practice of their trade without a specific license only obtainable within the country of practice. You don't see local hospitals posting H1B openings for physicians, because the American Medical Association would eradiate them off the face of the planet. Want to practice in the US as a foreign trained MD? You have to apply to retrain here, with very specific restrictions, and compete against thousands of other expats. You will never be competing directly against American MDs. This is in direct contrast to the tech industry, which has exactly zero licensing bodies with the ability to dictate who can practice within the profession. Hence, H1Bs galore. People always make the mistake of comparing highly regulated industries to tech. They couldn't be further apart. A commenter on the Pao case raised this exact point: maybe women are too smart to get into a dog-eat-dog industry like tech! Women sure as heck have no qualms about law, medicine or nursing! Three professions with excellent guild protections and career stability once an initial licensing hurdle is passed. For better or worse, tech is the wild west of professions. All things considered it's absurdly risky to get into, but for the few superstar talents, it's very lucrative because there are no barriers to entry. For the above average vet with 40 years of experience though, it can be a nightmare, as an eager H1B will sign up for indentured servitude any day to escape third world poverty. I wouldn't recommend the tech industry to my kids. Too much volatility and risk. You're better off having a steady profession, and pursuing bootstrapped startups on the side. If your idea gets traction, you can always stop practising your profession and return at a later date. That's the beauty of guilds like the AMA, you'll never be thrown under the bus for a quick buck, because the status of an MD cannot be devalued.

Potando 12y ago

People at the lower end of the labor market are also adversely affected by each other. Why are they not proposing deportation of low-skilled Americans? No justification seems to escape from the fact that anti-immigration is fundamentally just discriminatory tribalism no different from racism and homophobia like the OP's father had.

bruceb 12y ago
So you will be giving up your citizenship?