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Copenhagen and most European cities are high density and were largely built before the car or zoning was invented. Most people there live within bike-commute di

by iwwr 12y ago

Copenhagen and most European cities are high density and were largely built before the car or zoning was invented. Most people there live within bike-commute distance, which isn't the case for the US.

tormeh 12y ago
Also, Denmark is completely flat. Like, you won't believe how flat it is. Denmarks highest point is "The Sky Mountain" and it's 147 m (482 ft) high. That's how flat Denmark is. The utility of a bike increases a lot when you only have to pedal equal to the rolling resistance.
- prawn 12y ago
  Many American cities seem pretty flat to me. I don't remember huge inclines in NY, coastal LA, etc.
- iwwr 12y ago
  There are also electrically-assisted bicycles (e-bikes), somewhat more expensive but good for short commutes.
- revelation 12y ago
  If you are pedalling equal to the rolling resistance, you must be doing so in a vacuum. Do you cycle in space? That sounds awesome.
- ptaipale 12y ago
  Yes, so Denmark is an exception to the rule where biking is always uphill and against the wind. In Denmark, it's only against the wind. That said, you are right. E.g. I live in Finland, and biking is more popular in Oulu (which is way up north, but on former seabed and completely flat) than in Helsinki (which has a more temperate climate, but is on exposed bedrock and has small-scale hills up and down all the time).
revelation 12y ago
Well, okay then, I guess it's not for you. Let's never change! Not to mention, of course, that many cities in the USA are also high-density. In fact, a large percentage of people living in NYC and the like don't even own a car. They are endangered and have to endure pollution and the extra charge on their rent for all the free parking and road space taken up primarily by people that descend onto the city from outside of some suburban American hell. They clearly don't want to live in that kind of place, yet they think nothing of forcing their four ton suburban onto others. What you are seeing is people in cities realizing they don't want to continue subsidizing some suburban middle class dream and be killed and endangered in their own city in the process.
- infinotize 12y ago
  The growing realization that walkable and bikeable cities are neato easily outpaces the ability to construct that into a reality in the US. There are decades of intertia from cheap cars and fuel and the "suburban-dream" lifestyle that has resulted in car-first cities, and the cost of rearchitecting and rebuilding that infrastructure is huge and takes years. Old world cities were laid out pre-car and it's much more convenient for them to revert to a pedestrian/cyclist focus (in addition to prevailing attitudes). It's also not feasible for everyone to afford to be able to live downtown in a walkable city with the way cost of living is increasing, and gasp some people may even prefer to trade a commute in a car for not having to live in a box, or have a little space/land to raise a family, grow a garden, etc (the solution there being better rail networks).
  - Frondo 12y ago
    Yes, it does take years. And you know what? The cities that started doing that years ago (like Portland) are now blanketed in bike lanes, bike thoroughfares, and bike-friendly infrastructure that makes the city thick with non-car commuters. On some streets (North Williams and Vancouver, for you Portlanders), the bike lanes are always full. You can sit there and watch hundreds of bikes roll by in an hour. That's a lot of traffic that, 10 years ago, would've been cars. So, yeah, it does take time. Start lobbying your city to start it today. 10 years from now, it's a whole new world.

by iwwr 12y ago

tormeh 12y ago

Also, Denmark is completely flat. Like, you won't believe how flat it is. Denmarks highest point is "The Sky Mountain" and it's 147 m (482 ft) high. That's how flat Denmark is. The utility of a bike increases a lot when you only have to pedal equal to the rolling resistance.

prawn 12y ago
Many American cities seem pretty flat to me. I don't remember huge inclines in NY, coastal LA, etc.
iwwr 12y ago
There are also electrically-assisted bicycles (e-bikes), somewhat more expensive but good for short commutes.
revelation 12y ago
If you are pedalling equal to the rolling resistance, you must be doing so in a vacuum. Do you cycle in space? That sounds awesome.
ptaipale 12y ago
Yes, so Denmark is an exception to the rule where biking is always uphill and against the wind. In Denmark, it's only against the wind. That said, you are right. E.g. I live in Finland, and biking is more popular in Oulu (which is way up north, but on former seabed and completely flat) than in Helsinki (which has a more temperate climate, but is on exposed bedrock and has small-scale hills up and down all the time).

revelation 12y ago

Well, okay then, I guess it's not for you. Let's never change! Not to mention, of course, that many cities in the USA are also high-density. In fact, a large percentage of people living in NYC and the like don't even own a car. They are endangered and have to endure pollution and the extra charge on their rent for all the free parking and road space taken up primarily by people that descend onto the city from outside of some suburban American hell. They clearly don't want to live in that kind of place, yet they think nothing of forcing their four ton suburban onto others. What you are seeing is people in cities realizing they don't want to continue subsidizing some suburban middle class dream and be killed and endangered in their own city in the process.

infinotize 12y ago
The growing realization that walkable and bikeable cities are neato easily outpaces the ability to construct that into a reality in the US. There are decades of intertia from cheap cars and fuel and the "suburban-dream" lifestyle that has resulted in car-first cities, and the cost of rearchitecting and rebuilding that infrastructure is huge and takes years. Old world cities were laid out pre-car and it's much more convenient for them to revert to a pedestrian/cyclist focus (in addition to prevailing attitudes). It's also not feasible for everyone to afford to be able to live downtown in a walkable city with the way cost of living is increasing, and gasp some people may even prefer to trade a commute in a car for not having to live in a box, or have a little space/land to raise a family, grow a garden, etc (the solution there being better rail networks).
- Frondo 12y ago
  Yes, it does take years. And you know what? The cities that started doing that years ago (like Portland) are now blanketed in bike lanes, bike thoroughfares, and bike-friendly infrastructure that makes the city thick with non-car commuters. On some streets (North Williams and Vancouver, for you Portlanders), the bike lanes are always full. You can sit there and watch hundreds of bikes roll by in an hour. That's a lot of traffic that, 10 years ago, would've been cars. So, yeah, it does take time. Start lobbying your city to start it today. 10 years from now, it's a whole new world.