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>So what you're saying is, you don't mind causing other people -- your coworkers -- severe distress if their "reasoning" is faulty according to you? Yes. That

by tsotha 12y ago

>So what you're saying is, you don't mind causing other people -- your coworkers -- severe distress if their "reasoning" is faulty according to you? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because I'm not causing them stress. They're causing stress to themselves. >As you can see in the data, "adults" is actually "men" only when "work" is "software". What data? What are you talking about? >I think you should consider the possibility that you're contributing to a hostile environment that you simply can't feel because you haven't tried really putting yourself in other people's shoes. It's not reasonable to expect men to tiptoe around special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings to take umbrage at every perceived slight.

pron 12y ago
> Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because I'm not causing them stress. They're causing stress to themselves. Only in software? And assuming for a second you're right, if your coworkers suffer terribly around you -- due to no fault of yours, of course -- don't you think it's your moral obligation to help them? Maybe just listen to them to understand how they're torturing themselves. Hey, maybe you can be a knight in shining armor to their damsels in distress. > What data? What are you talking about? The data I linked to above that shows that women participation in technical fields (science, medicine and law) is increasing for the past decades while only in software it's decreasing. > It's not reasonable to expect men to tiptoe around special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings to take umbrage at every perceived slight. Well, you don't quite qualify as a man just yet. And you're right, it is indeed unreasonable to expect boys to care about anyone other than themselves. Maybe we've been looking at it all wrong, and work environments dominated by men are perfectly fine for women; it's those dominated by boys that make them run away in terror and disgust. Because you repeat such inane men's-rights cliches as "special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings" am I to understand you are personally taking revenge against women because some of them have hurt your precious feelings? If so, I think it is you who are the gentle snowflake women should tiptoe around, letting you feel all powerful and behave like in a frat house to resolve your own issues (as I'm sure they do, because they have no choice but to be sensitive to boys with issues). I am sorry for your past experiences, but it's time for you to grow up and act like an adult. If doctors and lawyers can do it, I'm sure you can, too.
- tsotha 12y ago
  >Only in software? You're a long way from showing women are leaving/not entering software because of sexism. >The data I linked to above that shows that women participation in technical fields (science, medicine and law) is increasing for the past decades while only in software it's decreasing. So what? >Well, you don't quite qualify as a man just yet. I stopped reading there. You're an idiot and I'm not going to wasted any more time on you.
  - pron 12y ago
    > I stopped reading there. I am sorry you feel offended, but I am not going to sugarcoat the truth for you just because you're sensitive or hysterical. You must understand that HN is for adults, we have a certain direct, business-like, often rough and sometimes whimsical -- but never intentionally mean -- way of speaking, and you're just going to have to accept that; it's just part of our hacker culture. I think you'd agree that it's not reasonable of you to expect us to tiptoe around special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings that take umbrage at every perceived slight.

by tsotha 12y ago

pron 12y ago

> Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because I'm not causing them stress. They're causing stress to themselves. Only in software? And assuming for a second you're right, if your coworkers suffer terribly around you -- due to no fault of yours, of course -- don't you think it's your moral obligation to help them? Maybe just listen to them to understand how they're torturing themselves. Hey, maybe you can be a knight in shining armor to their damsels in distress. > What data? What are you talking about? The data I linked to above that shows that women participation in technical fields (science, medicine and law) is increasing for the past decades while only in software it's decreasing. > It's not reasonable to expect men to tiptoe around special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings to take umbrage at every perceived slight. Well, you don't quite qualify as a man just yet. And you're right, it is indeed unreasonable to expect boys to care about anyone other than themselves. Maybe we've been looking at it all wrong, and work environments dominated by men are perfectly fine for women; it's those dominated by boys that make them run away in terror and disgust. Because you repeat such inane men's-rights cliches as "special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings" am I to understand you are personally taking revenge against women because some of them have hurt your precious feelings? If so, I think it is you who are the gentle snowflake women should tiptoe around, letting you feel all powerful and behave like in a frat house to resolve your own issues (as I'm sure they do, because they have no choice but to be sensitive to boys with issues). I am sorry for your past experiences, but it's time for you to grow up and act like an adult. If doctors and lawyers can do it, I'm sure you can, too.

tsotha 12y ago
>Only in software? You're a long way from showing women are leaving/not entering software because of sexism. >The data I linked to above that shows that women participation in technical fields (science, medicine and law) is increasing for the past decades while only in software it's decreasing. So what? >Well, you don't quite qualify as a man just yet. I stopped reading there. You're an idiot and I'm not going to wasted any more time on you.
- pron 12y ago
  > I stopped reading there. I am sorry you feel offended, but I am not going to sugarcoat the truth for you just because you're sensitive or hysterical. You must understand that HN is for adults, we have a certain direct, business-like, often rough and sometimes whimsical -- but never intentionally mean -- way of speaking, and you're just going to have to accept that; it's just part of our hacker culture. I think you'd agree that it's not reasonable of you to expect us to tiptoe around special snowflakes primed by coddled upbringings that take umbrage at every perceived slight.