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Amazing people put forth that bogus 81 cents number and then start talking about data as if it supported their position. I was just pointing out that number wa

by tsotha 12y ago

Amazing people put forth that bogus 81 cents number and then start talking about data as if it supported their position. I was just pointing out that number was obviously fraudulent as it doesn't take occupation into account. But what happens when we look at education, occupation, hours worked, willingness to travel, etc? "This study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers." http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20...

untog 12y ago
Amazing that the other reply to my post told me to not have such a "nitpicky attitude" [1] when another tells me that such nitpicking is crucial. It's almost as if people are doing any mental gymnastics they can to derail conversation into insignificant side roads rather than the actual issue at hand. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9279813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9279813
- tsotha 12y ago
  Amazing that after I present actual data you try to deflect by replying to my post with a criticism of something someone else wrote, completely ignoring the subject.
  - untog 12y ago
    You clearly didn't get my point. For one, I'm not the one that brought up the 80 cents figure. But is it 80 cents? 70? 90? That's not the actual issue. Does sexism exist in tech? If yes, how about talking about that? It's like entering into a conversation about how to fix the problem of racism within the police by asking "ah yes, but how racist are they?".
    - tsotha 12y ago
      Sure, let's talk about sexism. My company has a program by which women are promoted even though a man with the same skills and experience would not be promoted. Does this seem fair to you? Somehow I doubt I'll be able to find a lawyer to take the case if I sue.
- stolio 12y ago
  I can't reply to your comment below: > You clearly didn't get my point. For one, I'm not the one that brought up the 80 cents figure. But is it 80 cents? 70? 90? That's not the actual issue. Does sexism exist in tech? If yes, how about talking about that? > It's like entering into a conversation about how to fix the problem of racism within the police by asking "ah yes, but how racist are they?". I don't understand how you can speak critically of people asking the most mature, rational and productive question in the situation. You can't make a plan to deal with a problem if you don't have at least some idea of how big it is. Person A: "The dam is overfilled, we need to drain some of the water." Person B: "Oh, really? How do you know it's overfilled and how much water do you think we should drain?" Person A: "OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO ASK ME THAT! CLEARLY YOU *WANT* THE DAM TO BE OVERFILLED, DON'T YOU?!?" Person B: "..."

by tsotha 12y ago

untog 12y ago

Amazing that the other reply to my post told me to not have such a "nitpicky attitude" [1] when another tells me that such nitpicking is crucial. It's almost as if people are doing any mental gymnastics they can to derail conversation into insignificant side roads rather than the actual issue at hand. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9279813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9279813

tsotha 12y ago
Amazing that after I present actual data you try to deflect by replying to my post with a criticism of something someone else wrote, completely ignoring the subject.
- untog 12y ago
  You clearly didn't get my point. For one, I'm not the one that brought up the 80 cents figure. But is it 80 cents? 70? 90? That's not the actual issue. Does sexism exist in tech? If yes, how about talking about that? It's like entering into a conversation about how to fix the problem of racism within the police by asking "ah yes, but how racist are they?".
  - tsotha 12y ago
    Sure, let's talk about sexism. My company has a program by which women are promoted even though a man with the same skills and experience would not be promoted. Does this seem fair to you? Somehow I doubt I'll be able to find a lawyer to take the case if I sue.
stolio 12y ago
I can't reply to your comment below: > You clearly didn't get my point. For one, I'm not the one that brought up the 80 cents figure. But is it 80 cents? 70? 90? That's not the actual issue. Does sexism exist in tech? If yes, how about talking about that? > It's like entering into a conversation about how to fix the problem of racism within the police by asking "ah yes, but how racist are they?". I don't understand how you can speak critically of people asking the most mature, rational and productive question in the situation. You can't make a plan to deal with a problem if you don't have at least some idea of how big it is. Person A: "The dam is overfilled, we need to drain some of the water." Person B: "Oh, really? How do you know it's overfilled and how much water do you think we should drain?" Person A: "OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO ASK ME THAT! CLEARLY YOU *WANT* THE DAM TO BE OVERFILLED, DON'T YOU?!?" Person B: "..."