> This is so bleak, and so easily disproven (by lots of fields, including prestigious ones), that it makes me sad even to read it. Honest question, but in what

> This is so bleak, and so easily disproven (by lots of fields, including prestigious ones), that it makes me sad even to read it. Honest question, but in what areas has this claim been disproven? In my interpretation, chatmasta's argument was fundamentally a mathematical one, that was basically just pointing out the likelihood of humans and human society being ultimately deterministic. Are there some reasonable mathematical arguments against this possibility? Cause to me, it seems rather likely that humans are indeed deterministic (though still as fairly complex systems of course), and if so, we should probably start taking into account what kinds of [mathematical] implications that might lead to.