>we should all work to make workplaces where everyone can feel wanted What about "bros" who want to discriminate against women? Should they feel wanted? Here

>we should all work to make workplaces where everyone can feel wanted What about "bros" who want to discriminate against women? Should they feel wanted? Here's part of a confusing argument I had with a good friend of mine recently. A lot of people see "bros" (I really hate that term) as a problem. Their culture is a problem, their ideas about getting drunk at work and being loud and boisterous are all problems, and these are things that need to be stopped in the name of equality and progress. But what about the individuals there? Some of the "bros" I know who run companies where they drink a lot at work, have frequent company sponsored outings to bars, go drinking after hours, go to parties together, etc. are refugees from the world where none of that was allowed. To them, they've created a safe space for themselves where they are allowed to be what they feel most comfortable as. The sortof neo-progressive response to these people is that what they're doing is wrong, and should be stopped... What's confusing and difficult to me about that is that stopping these people is taking away their safe space. Yes, their safe space is discriminatory (to people who don't desire the same space, of feel safe in that space), but is that necessarily a bad thing? For instance: there is a meetup at a hackerspace in my state called "WTF", which stands for "Women, Trans, Femme". I, as a white, cis, male would not be allowed in the shop during that time. Assuming that gender dysphoria is equally prevalent in men and women, that event discriminates against about 50% of the population. The justification for this, which I understand, and I think I support, is that everybody deserves to have a space where they feel safe. There is a similar motivation behind things like Double Union in SF; it is a women-only hackerspace that exists for people who will feel most comfortable in a women-only hackerspace. Good! I am glad that all of these people are getting to have their safe spaces. But what about my friend that runs a company full of bros? What are they supposed to do? Because it seems like a lot of people think that they shouldn't be allowed to have their space (because it's discriminatory).