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Chinese govt is telling the world with this attack that: (1) GFW can interfere with incoming traffic. (2) GFW can f* with people all around the world. (3) You c

by dujiulun2006 12y ago

Chinese govt is telling the world with this attack that: (1) GFW can interfere with incoming traffic. (2) GFW can f* with people all around the world. (3) You can't block a Chinese cyber attack simply by cutting off Chinese users. (4) The Chinese govt is a d*head.

cryptophreak 12y ago
You can use swear words on the Internet.
- panzagl 12y ago
  You can also not use them.
  - virmundi 12y ago
    And apparently you can partially use them.
    - dujiulun2006 12y ago
      LOL. I even used them wrong. I put in single line-breaks and three asterisks. Guess it's a markdown editor? ;)
  - iopq 12y ago
    He clearly used them.
johansch 12y ago
So the logical solution is to block all of China and anyone who also doesn't block all of China. And so on...
superobserver 12y ago
That sums it up. Oh, and they're a danger to the internet itself.
aaronem 12y ago
Well, no. The Chinese government is telling the world with this attack that, if you choose to interfere with Chinese sovereignty by means of the Internet, or to enable those who would do that, then there’s a cost. Note the way the attack is targeted. It’s not just an indiscriminate DDoS of Github, although that’s been the effect — instead, they’re aiming specifically at two repos whose content, being designed and built with the aim of circumventing the technical means by which are implemented a significant goal of China's domestic policy, enables no more or less than a direct attack on the sovereignty of the Chinese government. To use that content is to say: "You may not run your country in the fashion you choose, because it does not suit me that you should do so." To host that content is to say: "In this matter, we take the side of those attacking the sovereignty of the Chinese government, by making it easy for them to share and improve the tools with which they do so." What you're seeing, then, is the quite reasonable response of the Chinese government to these statements. Yes, it's annoying for those of us who use Github, and no doubt it's much worse than merely annoying for those who administer Github. That is the point. Github is being encouraged to consider how much it's worth to them to maintain the stance they've implicitly taken in this matter. I'm looking forward to seeing how they respond.
- kinghajj 12y ago
  China's sovereignty extends only as far as its borders. It has no legitimate say in the goings-on outside. GitHub is located outside of this domain, under the sovereignty of a nation that allows and condones its activity. It's really US sovereignty that's under attack here, if anything.
  - aaronem 12y ago
    This is almost an argument. But when a given nation's citizens attack the sovereignty of another nation, and their own government declines to curtail such behavior, this qualifies as an implicit endorsement. That's why people call it "cyber-warfare"; what we observe here is a border skirmish with less than the usual quantity of gunfire. As I said earlier, I look forward to seeing who wins.
    - 12y ago

cryptophreak 12y ago

You can use swear words on the Internet.

panzagl 12y ago
You can also not use them.
- virmundi 12y ago
  And apparently you can partially use them.
  - dujiulun2006 12y ago
    LOL. I even used them wrong. I put in single line-breaks and three asterisks. Guess it's a markdown editor? ;)
- iopq 12y ago
  He clearly used them.

johansch 12y ago

So the logical solution is to block all of China and anyone who also doesn't block all of China. And so on...

superobserver 12y ago

That sums it up. Oh, and they're a danger to the internet itself.

aaronem 12y ago

Well, no. The Chinese government is telling the world with this attack that, if you choose to interfere with Chinese sovereignty by means of the Internet, or to enable those who would do that, then there’s a cost. Note the way the attack is targeted. It’s not just an indiscriminate DDoS of Github, although that’s been the effect — instead, they’re aiming specifically at two repos whose content, being designed and built with the aim of circumventing the technical means by which are implemented a significant goal of China's domestic policy, enables no more or less than a direct attack on the sovereignty of the Chinese government. To use that content is to say: "You may not run your country in the fashion you choose, because it does not suit me that you should do so." To host that content is to say: "In this matter, we take the side of those attacking the sovereignty of the Chinese government, by making it easy for them to share and improve the tools with which they do so." What you're seeing, then, is the quite reasonable response of the Chinese government to these statements. Yes, it's annoying for those of us who use Github, and no doubt it's much worse than merely annoying for those who administer Github. That is the point. Github is being encouraged to consider how much it's worth to them to maintain the stance they've implicitly taken in this matter. I'm looking forward to seeing how they respond.

kinghajj 12y ago
China's sovereignty extends only as far as its borders. It has no legitimate say in the goings-on outside. GitHub is located outside of this domain, under the sovereignty of a nation that allows and condones its activity. It's really US sovereignty that's under attack here, if anything.
- aaronem 12y ago
  This is almost an argument. But when a given nation's citizens attack the sovereignty of another nation, and their own government declines to curtail such behavior, this qualifies as an implicit endorsement. That's why people call it "cyber-warfare"; what we observe here is a border skirmish with less than the usual quantity of gunfire. As I said earlier, I look forward to seeing who wins.
  - 12y ago