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Here is my beautiful city : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlIBLQkxrbA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlIBLQkxrbA And this video isn't even crowded yet : dur

Here is my beautiful city : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlIBLQkxrbA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlIBLQkxrbA And this video isn't even crowded yet : during rush hour we have cross sections with 100+ cyclists per red-green-cycle. Everybody just watches each other : pedestrians, cyclist and vehicles.

TillE 12y ago
At least in my experience, the Netherlands is by far the best country for cyclists. Other European cities have inconsistent and often partially blocked bike lanes with people frequently riding on the sidewalk, but in Amsterdam you have clearly defined, reliable bike lanes everywhere. It reduces the amount of stress for everyone, including pedestrians.
- the-dude 12y ago
  Sometimes it is clearly defined, but Shared Space ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space ) is used a lot as well.
maxerickson 12y ago
I was in the Netherlands for 2 weeks and managed to almost get hit head on by a vehicle that pulled from the 2 lane road onto the separate bike path to overtake a vehicle on the right (on the main road through a village near Hilversum). Looking at imagery of the spot, there was at least 1 meter of separation between the road and path, and I was in the correct lane of the 2 way bike path. I did quite a bit of other bike riding that all went fine and the amount of infrastructure devoted to it was great, but that incident sort of sticks in my head a bit.
- the-dude 12y ago
  I think it is a matter of experience : we learn to ride bikes at 3yo and are expected to bike to school at 11/12yo on our own. It sounds like the vehicle overtaking was a situation we would have recognized and adapted to ( the other vehicle probably was taking a left turn ).
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    As far as I understand, the vehicle had no legal right to be on the path. "Our country is great for cycling as long as you understand the situations where a vehicle traveling at speed might enter the bike paths." is a little different than "Our country is great for cycling." I wouldn't even try to argue that the first statement there is in any way fair, but I simply don't understand your response here.
    - the-dude 12y ago
      I am not so sure : a bike path with a different color doesn't mean a vehicle is prohibited from entering it. It depends on the line separating the two ( solid vs intermittent ).
      - maxerickson 12y ago
        There was a physical median. "A separate bike path", not a bike lane. It crossed over using a driveway to a house along the road.
        the-dude 12y ago
        You must be right. But please understand we are not afraid of our lives every day. Our children are trusted to take part of traffic on their own from about 10/12yo because we trained them about every day. It is about experience in watching eachother. Not about who is right.

TillE 12y ago

At least in my experience, the Netherlands is by far the best country for cyclists. Other European cities have inconsistent and often partially blocked bike lanes with people frequently riding on the sidewalk, but in Amsterdam you have clearly defined, reliable bike lanes everywhere. It reduces the amount of stress for everyone, including pedestrians.

the-dude 12y ago
Sometimes it is clearly defined, but Shared Space ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space ) is used a lot as well.

maxerickson 12y ago

I was in the Netherlands for 2 weeks and managed to almost get hit head on by a vehicle that pulled from the 2 lane road onto the separate bike path to overtake a vehicle on the right (on the main road through a village near Hilversum). Looking at imagery of the spot, there was at least 1 meter of separation between the road and path, and I was in the correct lane of the 2 way bike path. I did quite a bit of other bike riding that all went fine and the amount of infrastructure devoted to it was great, but that incident sort of sticks in my head a bit.

the-dude 12y ago
I think it is a matter of experience : we learn to ride bikes at 3yo and are expected to bike to school at 11/12yo on our own. It sounds like the vehicle overtaking was a situation we would have recognized and adapted to ( the other vehicle probably was taking a left turn ).
- maxerickson 12y ago
  As far as I understand, the vehicle had no legal right to be on the path. "Our country is great for cycling as long as you understand the situations where a vehicle traveling at speed might enter the bike paths." is a little different than "Our country is great for cycling." I wouldn't even try to argue that the first statement there is in any way fair, but I simply don't understand your response here.
  - the-dude 12y ago
    I am not so sure : a bike path with a different color doesn't mean a vehicle is prohibited from entering it. It depends on the line separating the two ( solid vs intermittent ).
    - maxerickson 12y ago
      There was a physical median. "A separate bike path", not a bike lane. It crossed over using a driveway to a house along the road.
      - the-dude 12y ago
        You must be right. But please understand we are not afraid of our lives every day. Our children are trusted to take part of traffic on their own from about 10/12yo because we trained them about every day. It is about experience in watching eachother. Not about who is right.