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I would not put nordic countries as an example. They taxed cars to oblivion without providing much alternative. Its freezing cold in there.
by jkot 12y ago
I would not put nordic countries as an example. They taxed cars to oblivion without providing much alternative. Its freezing cold in there.
- MBlume 12y agoIs that a bad thing? In the US, cars take up enormous amounts of space which their users don't pay anything for.
- jkot 12y agoParking in NY is pretty expensive.
- cozzyd 12y agoAnd despite most residents not owning cars, most of the infrastructure is devoted to motorists.
- pavel_lishin 12y agoOnly if you're parking in garages; if you get out of midtown, there is free street parking. 'cept you have to get up early twice a week to move your car for street cleaning. And it can take you an hour to find an empty spot sufficiently close to your apartment. And on Sundays, many neighborhood spots are taken (and double-parked) by church-goers.
- MBlume 12y agoYes, NY is one of the only places in the US where you're likely to consistently pay for the space your car takes up when it's at rest, which is awesome, and which other cities should emulate. Unfortunately, you still don't have congestion taxes to pay for the space you take up in motion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congestion_pricing_in_New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congestion_pricing_in_New_York...
- pavel_lishin 12y agoThere is a proposal to add more tolls in New York City, including a toll for crossing 60th street (basically the southern end of Central Park): http://pix11.com/2015/02/17/proposal-calls-for-tolls-on-nycs-free-bridges-to-fill-mta-budget-hole/ http://pix11.com/2015/02/17/proposal-calls-for-tolls-on-nycs...
- jkot 12y agoEach state requires an annual registration fee which varies from state to state. The state of New York, on the other hand, charges a tax based on the vehicle's weight, rather than on its value, which is charged at the time of registration renewal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax#United_States
- pavel_lishin 12y agoI do not understand the relevance of that quote.
- MBlume 12y agoSure, but if you drive your vehicle down the highway, you're taking up cheap real estate; if you drive your vehicle into Manhattan, you're using really freaking expensive real estate, and you should pay more for it.
- npsimons 12y agoSo what you're saying is, even though it's ridiculously cold, they still found a way to reduce the number of cars on the road, and it was through more taxes on cars?
- jkot 12y agoNo, I am saying they force people to cycle outside, when its freezing and dangerous.
- pavel_lishin 12y agoAnd yet it seems like they have less cycling-related deaths than the US.
- jkot 12y agoDoes pneumonia count as 'cycling-related'?
- Doctor_Fegg 12y agoDo you have actual numbers for pneumonia caused by cycling?
- pavel_lishin 12y agoI don't know. I tried to look this up, and I got a rate of 15.1 per 100k in the US. I couldn't find the rates for Finland, Norway, Sweden or Denmark; presumably, I'd have to search using Finnish, Norwegian, Swedish or Danish terms.
- BrainInAJar 12y agoconsidering it's a viral or bacterial infection, probably not.
- kaeluka 12y agoIt's not very dangerous; biking lanes tend to be in excellent condition. It's also good for you. edit: talking about Sweden's 4th largest city