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I think the actionable is get more people to read about the issues and the specifics of the issues. I'd rather have an author take the actionable instead of gi

I think the actionable is get more people to read about the issues and the specifics of the issues. I'd rather have an author take the actionable instead of giving me one. Yay author!

JoeAltmaier 12y ago
Yeah I'm not of fan of 'awareness' as a social mechanism. Its more of 'look at us; we're on the right side of this issue!' but doesn't move anything forward.
- proksoup 12y ago
  I find that difficult to understand. From my perspective the root cause of every problem is a lack of information and lack of awareness .... a plan of action can come only after that, and will on it's own.
  - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
    So educate yourself, then ACT. Instead, folks have fairs and mailings and talks and races, spreading awareness, spending money. And then what? Mostly nothing.
    - proksoup 12y ago
      The culture doesn't change overnight, the long haul of changing the boundaries of the conversation can only be achieved through conversation. There are people you need to convince Joe, and you can't get them to take action until they enter the conversation as well. Not enough people are aware of the conversation or its boundaries to act yet, once they are, the action will have happened already. Your words make me think you think an individual can accomplish something without the group. That stupid people will always be stupid so educating them is pointless, some other "action" aside from education must occur. I worry you've given up hope on education and with no "action" to take you dismiss those who attempt to educate. I didn't hear the action you proposed, just that it must be an action and "awareness" and "education" is a lost cause before we've begun.
- proksoup 12y ago
  If the problem is stated sufficiently and completely enough, we can talk about solutions. Without the awareness and the context, a "action item" is worse than "I'm right" it's "I'm right and do what I say" instead of "No one's right, here's the problems, can we discuss?"

I think the actionable is get more people to read about the issues and the specifics of the issues. I'd rather have an author take the actionable instead of giving me one. Yay author!

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

Yeah I'm not of fan of 'awareness' as a social mechanism. Its more of 'look at us; we're on the right side of this issue!' but doesn't move anything forward.

proksoup 12y ago
I find that difficult to understand. From my perspective the root cause of every problem is a lack of information and lack of awareness .... a plan of action can come only after that, and will on it's own.
- JoeAltmaier 12y ago
  So educate yourself, then ACT. Instead, folks have fairs and mailings and talks and races, spreading awareness, spending money. And then what? Mostly nothing.
  - proksoup 12y ago
    The culture doesn't change overnight, the long haul of changing the boundaries of the conversation can only be achieved through conversation. There are people you need to convince Joe, and you can't get them to take action until they enter the conversation as well. Not enough people are aware of the conversation or its boundaries to act yet, once they are, the action will have happened already. Your words make me think you think an individual can accomplish something without the group. That stupid people will always be stupid so educating them is pointless, some other "action" aside from education must occur. I worry you've given up hope on education and with no "action" to take you dismiss those who attempt to educate. I didn't hear the action you proposed, just that it must be an action and "awareness" and "education" is a lost cause before we've begun.
proksoup 12y ago
If the problem is stated sufficiently and completely enough, we can talk about solutions. Without the awareness and the context, a "action item" is worse than "I'm right" it's "I'm right and do what I say" instead of "No one's right, here's the problems, can we discuss?"