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I find all his digs at javascript funny since, at least the way I use it, javascript is basically an ugly-looking scheme. Javascript is responsible for my 'lisp

I find all his digs at javascript funny since, at least the way I use it, javascript is basically an ugly-looking scheme. Javascript is responsible for my 'lisp enlightenment' with the language using first-class functions and closures, and the wide variety of precompilers. It strikes me as fashionable to hate on javascript. Java on the other hand, now that's a horrible language ;) ;)

Zelphyr 12y ago
I was thinking the same thing as I read it but I can conceded that its easy to overlook how much influence Lisp had on JS. I also find it mildly amusing to see all the Lisps written in JS that keep popping up lately.
Scarbutt 12y ago
Javascript isn't Scheme: http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2013/07/18/javascript-isnt-scheme/ http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2013/07/18/javascript-isnt... If Javascript were only an ugly looking scheme...
- ozten 12y ago
  Sweet.js brings hygienic macros to JavaScript and follows directly from Scheme R5RS mechanisms AFAICT.
  - samth 12y ago
    Actually, sweet.js is based almost entirely on various macro innovations developed in Racket (such as the Honu approach to macros in languages without parens).
fa 12y ago
I too am amused by his opinion of JavaScript. A professor was moved enough to translate most of SICP to JavaScript and writes in its first chapter, "Above beyond these considerations, programming in JavaScript is great fun" [1]. I agree, and I'm enjoying going through this SICP/JS moreso than the original, as I can write solutions to the exercises in any old browser JavaScript console and paste them into a gist for safekeeping. [1] http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~cs1101s/sicp/ http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~cs1101s/sicp/
mbutterick 12y ago
> It strikes me as fashionable to hate on javascript. Please name another programming language whose inventor has described it as having “a lot of stupid in it.” It’s no longer a matter of fashion. It’s a matter of authoritative opinion.

Zelphyr 12y ago

I was thinking the same thing as I read it but I can conceded that its easy to overlook how much influence Lisp had on JS. I also find it mildly amusing to see all the Lisps written in JS that keep popping up lately.

Scarbutt 12y ago

Javascript isn't Scheme: http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2013/07/18/javascript-isnt-scheme/ http://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2013/07/18/javascript-isnt... If Javascript were only an ugly looking scheme...

ozten 12y ago
Sweet.js brings hygienic macros to JavaScript and follows directly from Scheme R5RS mechanisms AFAICT.
- samth 12y ago
  Actually, sweet.js is based almost entirely on various macro innovations developed in Racket (such as the Honu approach to macros in languages without parens).

fa 12y ago

I too am amused by his opinion of JavaScript. A professor was moved enough to translate most of SICP to JavaScript and writes in its first chapter, "Above beyond these considerations, programming in JavaScript is great fun" [1]. I agree, and I'm enjoying going through this SICP/JS moreso than the original, as I can write solutions to the exercises in any old browser JavaScript console and paste them into a gist for safekeeping. [1] http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~cs1101s/sicp/ http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~cs1101s/sicp/

mbutterick 12y ago

> It strikes me as fashionable to hate on javascript. Please name another programming language whose inventor has described it as having “a lot of stupid in it.” It’s no longer a matter of fashion. It’s a matter of authoritative opinion.