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How is this different from Israel or China? Genuine question.

by schandur 12y ago

ikeboy 12y ago
If you have interviews with people who used to work for either of those doing the same thing, I'd love to see them.
- cgh 12y ago
  http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china%E2%80%99s-paid-trolls-meet-50-cent-party http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china%... An interview with a member of China's 50 Cent Party.
  - ikeboy 12y ago
    That's interesting. Do you have anything from Israel?
    - cgh 12y ago
      No.
dmschulman 12y ago
There is no difference procedure-wise. In execution however, Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations and using the online peanut gallery to try and sway public opinion on the matter. Maybe you could make a case for Palestine or the Senkaku Islands dispute but I don't think those examples would hold muster for a multitude of reasons.
- frandroid 12y ago
  Well, Palestine is already invaded and occupied, I guess that's different...
- aikah 12y ago
  > Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations err Tibet ? hmm Palestine ?
  - dmschulman 12y ago
    No one disputes that those are occupations (well except for China and Israel respectively) but in the context of propagandizing online comments to create a false popular opinion on the matter, Tibet and Palestine are different than Ukraine.
    - aikah 12y ago
      > Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations Noone?
- gurkendoktor 12y ago
  > Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations and using the online peanut gallery to try and sway public opinion on the matter. China still wants to annex Taiwan, and the 50 Cent Party reliably speaks out in support of "reunification" when Western media bring up the topic. Still not quite the same, but at least the PRC has lots of missiles pointing to Taiwan (more than to the Senkakus).
  - ptaipale 12y ago
    >China still wants to annex Taiwan It's slightly more complex than that. Officially, for the past 65 years both Republic of China and People's Republic of China have been agreeing that there is only one China, of which Taiwan is a province. There's no question about either one "annexing" what is already considered part of the country. They have just disagreed which one is the legitimate government of that one China. Only more recently the idea of a separate , independent country on the island of Taiwan has been gaining popularity on that island.
    - gurkendoktor 12y ago
      Yup, by "still" I didn't mean since 1949, just recent years. But this was in the context of online propaganda, which is a recent enough phenomenon to begin with :)

How is this different from Israel or China? Genuine question.

ikeboy 12y ago

If you have interviews with people who used to work for either of those doing the same thing, I'd love to see them.

cgh 12y ago
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china%E2%80%99s-paid-trolls-meet-50-cent-party http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china%... An interview with a member of China's 50 Cent Party.
- ikeboy 12y ago
  That's interesting. Do you have anything from Israel?
  - cgh 12y ago
    No.

dmschulman 12y ago

There is no difference procedure-wise. In execution however, Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations and using the online peanut gallery to try and sway public opinion on the matter. Maybe you could make a case for Palestine or the Senkaku Islands dispute but I don't think those examples would hold muster for a multitude of reasons.

frandroid 12y ago
Well, Palestine is already invaded and occupied, I guess that's different...
aikah 12y ago
> Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations err Tibet ? hmm Palestine ?
- dmschulman 12y ago
  No one disputes that those are occupations (well except for China and Israel respectively) but in the context of propagandizing online comments to create a false popular opinion on the matter, Tibet and Palestine are different than Ukraine.
  - aikah 12y ago
    > Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations Noone?
gurkendoktor 12y ago
> Israel and China aren't invading foreign nations and using the online peanut gallery to try and sway public opinion on the matter. China still wants to annex Taiwan, and the 50 Cent Party reliably speaks out in support of "reunification" when Western media bring up the topic. Still not quite the same, but at least the PRC has lots of missiles pointing to Taiwan (more than to the Senkakus).
- ptaipale 12y ago
  >China still wants to annex Taiwan It's slightly more complex than that. Officially, for the past 65 years both Republic of China and People's Republic of China have been agreeing that there is only one China, of which Taiwan is a province. There's no question about either one "annexing" what is already considered part of the country. They have just disagreed which one is the legitimate government of that one China. Only more recently the idea of a separate , independent country on the island of Taiwan has been gaining popularity on that island.
  - gurkendoktor 12y ago
    Yup, by "still" I didn't mean since 1949, just recent years. But this was in the context of online propaganda, which is a recent enough phenomenon to begin with :)