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Right, because that signal would never get hacked.

fapjacks 12y ago
That's not what he's saying. The world isn't as black-and-white as "it can be hacked, so it's not worth it"... He's talking about raising the barrier to entry for this kind of situation via automation, much like TCAS would have prevented the Uberlingen collision.
- Piskvorrr 12y ago
  Preventing accidents and stopping a rogue insider are very different issues. Remote control opens a bunch of new attack surfaces, while not helping with the original problem.
  - fapjacks 12y ago
    Just because they're "very" different issues doesn't preclude there being a technical solution that helps solve parts of both problems.
    - Piskvorrr 12y ago
      No, no, no, no. There is no technical solution to this non-technical issue. I understand the frustration of "but surely there MUST be a scriptable way out of this," but IMNSHO there isn't (short of strong AI).
      - fapjacks 12y ago
        This issue of humans in the cockpit? You're saying there's no technical solution to this ....... except AI, which would be a technical solution to this issue.
        Piskvorrr 12y ago
        Except that strong AI is not current technology, or even near-future technology. In other words, "hmm, this wouldn't be a problem if only we could do abracadabra and solve it with magic; therefore it's not a problem. We can't do abracadabra, and hence can't solve it this way? La la la, I can't hear you!" (Not sure I'd call that a technical solution, but let's assume so.)
        fapjacks 12y ago
        We could make planes fly themselves today. This is (mostly) how military drones work. On a couple of my tours, we worked with drones that flew themselves almost completely. My best friend in the universe reenlisted just to fly them, and they fly themselves for most of their missions. Trust me: Planes could fly themselves using today's technology.
        Piskvorrr 12y ago
        Emphasis on almost. I'm not going to reiterate what's been said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9289225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9289225 , so just the TL;DR version: in case of major trouble, a CFIT of an unoccupied vehicle is a viable safety option, for that 1% that almost works. Try that with an airplane full of people...and you would become a terrorist. Tiny, tiny difference, nothing to worry about.

That's not what he's saying. The world isn't as black-and-white as "it can be hacked, so it's not worth it"... He's talking about raising the barrier to entry for this kind of situation via automation, much like TCAS would have prevented the Uberlingen collision.

Piskvorrr 12y ago
Preventing accidents and stopping a rogue insider are very different issues. Remote control opens a bunch of new attack surfaces, while not helping with the original problem.
- fapjacks 12y ago
  Just because they're "very" different issues doesn't preclude there being a technical solution that helps solve parts of both problems.
  - Piskvorrr 12y ago
    No, no, no, no. There is no technical solution to this non-technical issue. I understand the frustration of "but surely there MUST be a scriptable way out of this," but IMNSHO there isn't (short of strong AI).
    - fapjacks 12y ago
      This issue of humans in the cockpit? You're saying there's no technical solution to this ....... except AI, which would be a technical solution to this issue.
      - Piskvorrr 12y ago
        Except that strong AI is not current technology, or even near-future technology. In other words, "hmm, this wouldn't be a problem if only we could do abracadabra and solve it with magic; therefore it's not a problem. We can't do abracadabra, and hence can't solve it this way? La la la, I can't hear you!" (Not sure I'd call that a technical solution, but let's assume so.)
        fapjacks 12y ago
        We could make planes fly themselves today. This is (mostly) how military drones work. On a couple of my tours, we worked with drones that flew themselves almost completely. My best friend in the universe reenlisted just to fly them, and they fly themselves for most of their missions. Trust me: Planes could fly themselves using today's technology.
        Piskvorrr 12y ago
        Emphasis on almost. I'm not going to reiterate what's been said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9289225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9289225 , so just the TL;DR version: in case of major trouble, a CFIT of an unoccupied vehicle is a viable safety option, for that 1% that almost works. Try that with an airplane full of people...and you would become a terrorist. Tiny, tiny difference, nothing to worry about.