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D8's a work in progress, and if there's one thing I wouldn't be too critical of a wip for, it's performance. Frankly I don't really see drupal's place in the w

by jkoudys 12y ago

D8's a work in progress, and if there's one thing I wouldn't be too critical of a wip for, it's performance. Frankly I don't really see drupal's place in the world anymore. It's so absurdly config-heavy, which may have made sense a decade ago but not now. Everyone will just install composer, put laravel/symfony on there, and be off to the races. The era of giant pages of drupal-managed plugins is over, and replaced by package managers + slimmer CMSes like joomla or concrete5.

dabernathy89 12y ago
I'm a WordPress guy, so I am not a Drupal expert. But Laravel/Symfony and Drupal are targeting mostly different audiences (application developers vs website developers/website owners).
- jkoudys 12y ago
  Laravel/symfony are just one component. It's the approach of organizing your site as packages, and properly namespacing and exposing well-documented class libraries of your own that's becoming the dominant approach even for websites. Even the concept of a 'website' as simply rendering pages is something fewer people need a custom install for - squarespace et al have the basic sites covered, and for anyone who needs a pretty specific feature there's plenty of other platforms: shopify (commerce), nationbuilder (nonprofits), etc. Having worked with many PHP CMSes, the config for managing various drupal plugins is often far more complex to setup, maintain, and migrate than simply writing that feature in my own little class in concrete5, joomla, or even without a CMS. I get the appeal behind wordpress (even if I think it's implementation is complete garbage), because non-technical people can still setup and manage their plugins. Most of my clients who are/were on drupal, became my clients after they were inevitably crushed under a pile of drupal config.
snuxoll 12y ago
Drupal 8 actually using a lot of Symfony2 components internally now, and you should be able to manage your modules with composer if you so choose. I'm really excited for D8, no other CMS to date has been as easy to administer in my eyes, and now that they're dramatically revamping the module and theming stories I may even enjoy writing modules and themes once more.
- jkoudys 12y ago
  I know, and I think they're making the right decisions to make it the best drupal it can be. I was really excited about it 2.5 years ago. My point is I think the fundamental idea of drupal is obsolete. If it can eke out a few more years of relevance and take market share away from WordPress, all the more power to them,
issa 12y ago
Drupal's place hasn't really changed much. It's for people who want more flexibility than Wordpress while having more out-of-the-box features than the frameworks you mention.

by jkoudys 12y ago

dabernathy89 12y ago

I'm a WordPress guy, so I am not a Drupal expert. But Laravel/Symfony and Drupal are targeting mostly different audiences (application developers vs website developers/website owners).

jkoudys 12y ago
Laravel/symfony are just one component. It's the approach of organizing your site as packages, and properly namespacing and exposing well-documented class libraries of your own that's becoming the dominant approach even for websites. Even the concept of a 'website' as simply rendering pages is something fewer people need a custom install for - squarespace et al have the basic sites covered, and for anyone who needs a pretty specific feature there's plenty of other platforms: shopify (commerce), nationbuilder (nonprofits), etc. Having worked with many PHP CMSes, the config for managing various drupal plugins is often far more complex to setup, maintain, and migrate than simply writing that feature in my own little class in concrete5, joomla, or even without a CMS. I get the appeal behind wordpress (even if I think it's implementation is complete garbage), because non-technical people can still setup and manage their plugins. Most of my clients who are/were on drupal, became my clients after they were inevitably crushed under a pile of drupal config.

snuxoll 12y ago

Drupal 8 actually using a lot of Symfony2 components internally now, and you should be able to manage your modules with composer if you so choose. I'm really excited for D8, no other CMS to date has been as easy to administer in my eyes, and now that they're dramatically revamping the module and theming stories I may even enjoy writing modules and themes once more.

jkoudys 12y ago
I know, and I think they're making the right decisions to make it the best drupal it can be. I was really excited about it 2.5 years ago. My point is I think the fundamental idea of drupal is obsolete. If it can eke out a few more years of relevance and take market share away from WordPress, all the more power to them,

issa 12y ago

Drupal's place hasn't really changed much. It's for people who want more flexibility than Wordpress while having more out-of-the-box features than the frameworks you mention.