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First, remember the Breaking News Consumer's Handbook: Airline Edition (https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/620/l/80/1/BNCHAE.jpg https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/620/l/

by herge 12y ago

First, remember the Breaking News Consumer's Handbook: Airline Edition (https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/620/l/80/1/BNCHAE.jpg https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/620/l/80/1/BNCHAE.jpg). Second, I'm sure that Mr. Robin is a nice guy, but there's no need to publish his stray speculations just two days after the crash.

celticninja 12y ago
It seems pretty far from stray speculations. It is assumed after a check of the black box. That is ultimately what we rely on for an after the fact analysis. If we can't use that what do we use? And you want to wait a year to find out what happened to your loved ones?
- falcolas 12y ago
  > And you want to wait a year to find out what happened to your loved ones? "Your loved ones" died in an aircraft crash. They why of it matters less, and can wait for an accurate answer instead of rampant speculation. As for the year time frame, it really can take up to a year to figure out. As you say, they're working from an incomplete puzzle. Perhaps the black box does say XYZ, but is that the whole story? They added a lot more security hardware to cockpit doors of late, was it suffering a malfunction? Or perhaps the copilot was panicking trying to figure out how to work around a malfunctioning button and froze up? Or he was knocked unconscious by the sudden descent? Many of these aircraft are 15+ years old at this point, an electrical fault is certainly not out of the question. Speculation helps nobody but the press at this point. PS. To the downvoters, please remember that we're barely two days into the investigation, and we're relying on "silence" and a third party report on very preliminary findings to jump to these conclusions.
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    The article specifically states the the recorder indicates the copilot dialed in a deliberate descent.
- huuu 12y ago
  Well my first thought was: if the pilot was unconscious he still was breathing. So we just have to wait a little longer and must take into account the answer will never be found.
maxerickson 12y ago
I'm under the impression that he is speaking for the French Investigation of the incident. His statement is reasonably measured: The most plausible interpretation is that the co-pilot through a voluntary act had refused to open the cabin door to let the captain in. He pushed the button to trigger the aircraft to lose altitude. He operated this button for a reason we don't know yet, but it appears that the reason was to destroy this plane.
vixen99 12y ago
The co-pilot was breathing normally for ten minutes while the door was being hammered repeatedly. Interpreting this as 'deliberate' inaction is hardly 'stray speculation'.
- frevd 12y ago
  While the breathing could also come from a heart-attack like situation where the pilot is effectively disabled, in this case he apparently activated the descending of the plane, after the pilot went out, which he can only do if he is conscious.
- johnchristopher 12y ago
  Isn't that a little bit off he didn't mutter any words after seizing the opportunity of his co-worker's unplanned leaving of the cockpit ?
  - pdabbadabba 12y ago
    Do we know that he didn't? My impression from investigations like this in the past is that facts tend to be released along with the conclusions that they support, presumably to keep public speculation from getting way out ahead of the actual investigation. I would not be surprised to learn in the coming days that he did say things. But I don't think we'll find out until the investigators have a solid grasp of what this means for the investigation.
    - johnchristopher 12y ago
      Fair point. But if he did I suppose it would clarify the situation and we would know it.
  - StavrosK 12y ago
    How often do people mutter to themselves outside of movies? I never do.
    - johnchristopher 12y ago
BuildTheRobots 12y ago
FlightRadar24 has copies of the ADS-B data. It looks very much like the auto-pilot was deliberately set to an altitude of 96 feet. https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/581073962274328576/photo/1 https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/581073962274328576/...

by herge 12y ago

celticninja 12y ago

It seems pretty far from stray speculations. It is assumed after a check of the black box. That is ultimately what we rely on for an after the fact analysis. If we can't use that what do we use? And you want to wait a year to find out what happened to your loved ones?

falcolas 12y ago
> And you want to wait a year to find out what happened to your loved ones? "Your loved ones" died in an aircraft crash. They why of it matters less, and can wait for an accurate answer instead of rampant speculation. As for the year time frame, it really can take up to a year to figure out. As you say, they're working from an incomplete puzzle. Perhaps the black box does say XYZ, but is that the whole story? They added a lot more security hardware to cockpit doors of late, was it suffering a malfunction? Or perhaps the copilot was panicking trying to figure out how to work around a malfunctioning button and froze up? Or he was knocked unconscious by the sudden descent? Many of these aircraft are 15+ years old at this point, an electrical fault is certainly not out of the question. Speculation helps nobody but the press at this point. PS. To the downvoters, please remember that we're barely two days into the investigation, and we're relying on "silence" and a third party report on very preliminary findings to jump to these conclusions.
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  The article specifically states the the recorder indicates the copilot dialed in a deliberate descent.
huuu 12y ago
Well my first thought was: if the pilot was unconscious he still was breathing. So we just have to wait a little longer and must take into account the answer will never be found.

maxerickson 12y ago

I'm under the impression that he is speaking for the French Investigation of the incident. His statement is reasonably measured: The most plausible interpretation is that the co-pilot through a voluntary act had refused to open the cabin door to let the captain in. He pushed the button to trigger the aircraft to lose altitude. He operated this button for a reason we don't know yet, but it appears that the reason was to destroy this plane.

vixen99 12y ago

The co-pilot was breathing normally for ten minutes while the door was being hammered repeatedly. Interpreting this as 'deliberate' inaction is hardly 'stray speculation'.

frevd 12y ago
While the breathing could also come from a heart-attack like situation where the pilot is effectively disabled, in this case he apparently activated the descending of the plane, after the pilot went out, which he can only do if he is conscious.
johnchristopher 12y ago
Isn't that a little bit off he didn't mutter any words after seizing the opportunity of his co-worker's unplanned leaving of the cockpit ?
- pdabbadabba 12y ago
  Do we know that he didn't? My impression from investigations like this in the past is that facts tend to be released along with the conclusions that they support, presumably to keep public speculation from getting way out ahead of the actual investigation. I would not be surprised to learn in the coming days that he did say things. But I don't think we'll find out until the investigators have a solid grasp of what this means for the investigation.
  - johnchristopher 12y ago
    Fair point. But if he did I suppose it would clarify the situation and we would know it.
- StavrosK 12y ago
  How often do people mutter to themselves outside of movies? I never do.
  - johnchristopher 12y ago

BuildTheRobots 12y ago

FlightRadar24 has copies of the ADS-B data. It looks very much like the auto-pilot was deliberately set to an altitude of 96 feet. https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/581073962274328576/photo/1 https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/581073962274328576/...