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That is just sad. So I guess that only leaves them with one option and that is to eliminate the other side, since educating/mentoring is not in their interests?

golergka 12y ago
I'm a little bit confused about whom did you mean by "they" and "other side" in this comment. The Gaza government (Hamas) and people of Gaza are NOT the same entity, and Israel and israelis have very different feelings towards them (unless they are retarded far-right racists).
- asadlionpk 12y ago
  Exactly, Israeli government is not interested in mentorship of the people of Gaza.
  - golergka 12y ago
    I can't speak about the government — but the people are very interested. It's not the zero-sum game; the better the gazans and palestinians have it, the less power hate propaganda has over them, the less wars and acts of terror we'll have to endure.
    - aidos 12y ago
      Sadly, I suspect that statement could have just as easily come from the mouth of someone in Gaza regarding Israel.
      - golergka 12y ago
        Of course. I would argue that our hate level is very different — but I think that this is because of life level difference. Poor and hungry people have much more potential for hate. And that's exactly the reason why I'd want them to stop being poor and hungry (apart from basic human compassion, of course).
        Udik 12y ago
        Ah, and the fact that Israel keeps Gaza under a total embargo, flattens it every two years or so, killing thousands of people - civilians for the great majority, and children- that doesn't play a role, huh? It's just poverty and ignorance... FFS.
        golergka 12y ago
        Well, an objective, educated person would link this reaction to the action that prompt it.
        Udik 12y ago
        And the action that prompted it to the action of the other side that prompted it before.. ad infinitum. The only way out of this loop is to ask yourself "who's occupying whose territory? Who's preventing the others from becoming a state? And who does the most killing"? And for all three questions, the answer is always Israel.
        golergka 12y ago
        The questions that people sharing your position unfortunately don't ask themselves are different. Try "What actions can Israel do to change it" and "what will this result in", for starters. Try to put yourself in Israel's place. Just imagine it for a minute. Israel disengaged from Gaza 10 years ago. What did it get in return? More security? Less attacks? Better relationship with organisations governing the territory? Would answers to these questions encourage you (you're in Israel place, remember) to make more steps like this?
        tek-cyb-org 12y ago
        If I were israel, I would say, I have to figure out what I want. Do I want the territory from the river to the sea? if so, we annex all the land and it becomes 1 person/1 vote and you have to accept that all the refugees return to the land. Israel doesnt want this because there will be an arab majority (I wonder how that happened...). That's what I would do if I were israel. The Other option is 2 states (which is actually what is written in international law btw), 1967 boarders with east Jerusalem as the palestinian capital, stop occupation and remove all settlers, checkpoints, military bases, etc from palestinian territories and maybe no right of return to to refugees who's houses and land were stolen inside of what is now called israel. They will return to palestine 1967 boarder. How about we start there. No justice, no peace.
    - tek-cyb-org 12y ago
      "less acts of terror we'll have to endure.".. smh How about the acts of terror that Palestinians endure by israeli occupiers? Oh wait... Palestinians are not jewish so its okay... .they werent chosen by god to be shipped in from europe and the north america to get a free homeland.

golergka 12y ago

I'm a little bit confused about whom did you mean by "they" and "other side" in this comment. The Gaza government (Hamas) and people of Gaza are NOT the same entity, and Israel and israelis have very different feelings towards them (unless they are retarded far-right racists).

asadlionpk 12y ago
Exactly, Israeli government is not interested in mentorship of the people of Gaza.
- golergka 12y ago
  I can't speak about the government — but the people are very interested. It's not the zero-sum game; the better the gazans and palestinians have it, the less power hate propaganda has over them, the less wars and acts of terror we'll have to endure.
  - aidos 12y ago
    Sadly, I suspect that statement could have just as easily come from the mouth of someone in Gaza regarding Israel.
    - golergka 12y ago
      Of course. I would argue that our hate level is very different — but I think that this is because of life level difference. Poor and hungry people have much more potential for hate. And that's exactly the reason why I'd want them to stop being poor and hungry (apart from basic human compassion, of course).
      - Udik 12y ago
        Ah, and the fact that Israel keeps Gaza under a total embargo, flattens it every two years or so, killing thousands of people - civilians for the great majority, and children- that doesn't play a role, huh? It's just poverty and ignorance... FFS.
        golergka 12y ago
        Well, an objective, educated person would link this reaction to the action that prompt it.
        Udik 12y ago
        And the action that prompted it to the action of the other side that prompted it before.. ad infinitum. The only way out of this loop is to ask yourself "who's occupying whose territory? Who's preventing the others from becoming a state? And who does the most killing"? And for all three questions, the answer is always Israel.
        golergka 12y ago
        The questions that people sharing your position unfortunately don't ask themselves are different. Try "What actions can Israel do to change it" and "what will this result in", for starters. Try to put yourself in Israel's place. Just imagine it for a minute. Israel disengaged from Gaza 10 years ago. What did it get in return? More security? Less attacks? Better relationship with organisations governing the territory? Would answers to these questions encourage you (you're in Israel place, remember) to make more steps like this?
        tek-cyb-org 12y ago
        If I were israel, I would say, I have to figure out what I want. Do I want the territory from the river to the sea? if so, we annex all the land and it becomes 1 person/1 vote and you have to accept that all the refugees return to the land. Israel doesnt want this because there will be an arab majority (I wonder how that happened...). That's what I would do if I were israel. The Other option is 2 states (which is actually what is written in international law btw), 1967 boarders with east Jerusalem as the palestinian capital, stop occupation and remove all settlers, checkpoints, military bases, etc from palestinian territories and maybe no right of return to to refugees who's houses and land were stolen inside of what is now called israel. They will return to palestine 1967 boarder. How about we start there. No justice, no peace.
  - tek-cyb-org 12y ago
    "less acts of terror we'll have to endure.".. smh How about the acts of terror that Palestinians endure by israeli occupiers? Oh wait... Palestinians are not jewish so its okay... .they werent chosen by god to be shipped in from europe and the north america to get a free homeland.