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This isn't surprising. Dartium has always been a nifty project, but you'll never get all the major players to agree on a radical change like this. It was always

This isn't surprising. Dartium has always been a nifty project, but you'll never get all the major players to agree on a radical change like this. It was always destined to be a "second VM" like VBScript. asm.js illustrated the right political approach -- build something that degrades nicely now, then get the vendors to optimize it.

kevmoo1 12y ago
asm.js, CoffeeScript, etc are all great examples of evolving development for the web by compiling to JS. Dart is new 100% committed to that model for targeting browsers.
- mmastrac 12y ago
  Agreed. I just changed "Dart" to "Dartium" in my comment to avoid confusion as I realized that it wasn't clear.
msie 12y ago
So what if all the major players don't agree to it? Someone has to take the initiative.
- wmf 12y ago
  I get the impression that other browsers have committed to never supporting NaCl or Dart, so taking the initiative to build a prototype in Chrome wouldn't help.
- fixermark 12y ago
  The Internet isn't a technology; it's a collection of standards. Much like the industrial revolution wasn't about mechanisms; it was about interchangeable parts and standardization of forms, such that they could be usefully combined without eternal one-off customization. In the short-run, your approach is sound. In the large, a web technology isn't a web technology if my browser doesn't support it. Seems that the people in charge of Dart decided it had crossed the event horizon from situation 1 to situation 2.
- cpeterso 12y ago
  Not even Google took the initiative. Why didn't Google integrate the Dart VM in Chrome instead of Dartium?
  - msie 12y ago
    I'm saying that Google should have integrated the Dart VM into Chrome even if it won't be supported by the other browser makers.
- threeseed 12y ago
  So I am assuming you agree with the approach that Microsoft took with all the IE specific features back in the day ? I know it resulted in some very useful features e.g. AJAX but surely a standards based approach is infinitely better.
- aikah 12y ago
  Imaging a world with each browser vendor implementing his own incompatible scripting language ... Oh wait it happened in the past and it was so ugly people used a plugin called Flash that ran the same way in every browser ...

kevmoo1 12y ago

asm.js, CoffeeScript, etc are all great examples of evolving development for the web by compiling to JS. Dart is new 100% committed to that model for targeting browsers.

mmastrac 12y ago
Agreed. I just changed "Dart" to "Dartium" in my comment to avoid confusion as I realized that it wasn't clear.

msie 12y ago

So what if all the major players don't agree to it? Someone has to take the initiative.

wmf 12y ago
I get the impression that other browsers have committed to never supporting NaCl or Dart, so taking the initiative to build a prototype in Chrome wouldn't help.
fixermark 12y ago
The Internet isn't a technology; it's a collection of standards. Much like the industrial revolution wasn't about mechanisms; it was about interchangeable parts and standardization of forms, such that they could be usefully combined without eternal one-off customization. In the short-run, your approach is sound. In the large, a web technology isn't a web technology if my browser doesn't support it. Seems that the people in charge of Dart decided it had crossed the event horizon from situation 1 to situation 2.
cpeterso 12y ago
Not even Google took the initiative. Why didn't Google integrate the Dart VM in Chrome instead of Dartium?
- msie 12y ago
  I'm saying that Google should have integrated the Dart VM into Chrome even if it won't be supported by the other browser makers.
threeseed 12y ago
So I am assuming you agree with the approach that Microsoft took with all the IE specific features back in the day ? I know it resulted in some very useful features e.g. AJAX but surely a standards based approach is infinitely better.
aikah 12y ago
Imaging a world with each browser vendor implementing his own incompatible scripting language ... Oh wait it happened in the past and it was so ugly people used a plugin called Flash that ran the same way in every browser ...