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The user is a woman: standard UX testing, only you're forced to confront your own preconceptions for having assumed it would be otherwise.

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cbd1984 12y ago
> The user is a woman Nothing changes. Like "The user is trans" or "The user is Bulgarian" or "The user listens to Kinky Friedman" or "The user drinks from a hose". > your own preconceptions Speak for yourself.
- dfullarton 12y ago
  I think that was his point?
- amagumori 12y ago
  did you even read the post you replied to?
  - kordless 12y ago
    Did you understand his? Regarding "nothing changes" he's spot on adding other groups that are entitled to fair and equal consideration. He's expanding the discussion, which is the point of this place (or is suppose to be). Regarding 'speak for yourself', I have to agree with him. When someone uses 'you' or 'your' in a sentence indicating someone specific should 'confront your own preconceptions' what they are really doing is making a blanket blaming statement across a group of people on whether or not they have preconceptions. That's a conversational no-no because someone doesn't have the right to speak for me on my behalf. It's the trust, man. It's the trust.
    - famblycat 12y ago
      Meh, I just read it as an anti-joke. I think you guys are getting worked up over nothing.
- mrmondo 12y ago
  I think you just misread his comment - his point was anti-sexist.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    There is exactly zero reason for bringing up gender in this thread, unless you're the kind of person who wants to turn every discussion into a gender problem. If my service targets general population and I'm using only men in UX testing, I'm not being sexist - I'm just being an idiot, missing out on feedback that could be relevant to 50% of my audience.
    - AimHere 12y ago
      And do you believe there are no idiots making websites? Surely 'The user is a woman' suggestion is one method of cutting down on web designers making unthinking gender-related assumptions, just as the 'User is drunk' person is trying to provide a service related to competency-related assumptions...
    - knowtheory 12y ago
      If discussing gender is a threatening proposition to you, your problem is likely not that gender exists. Also, you've admitted that gender matters since by general population statistics 50+% of your users aren't men? So like... seems like it'd be a legit topic to discuss?
      - hash9 12y ago
        It doesn't have to be discussed in every single comment page on hackernews to be taken seriously, it gets tiresome. In traditional forums john's comment would be considered a topic derailment. What does a guy testing websites drunk have to do with gender in tech?
        TeMPOraL 12y ago
        Exactly this. It not only gets tiresome, but people go batshit insane in topics about gender, and it spawns some of the most ridiculous threads on this site. I get it, it's an important topic, but not every goddamn thing boils down to women in tech issues.
- golergka 12y ago
  Well, although you didn't have any preconceptions, seems like you confronted them anyway.
facepalm 12y ago
Citation needed.
cbd1984 12y ago
> The user is a woman Nothing changes. Downvoters are sexist.

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cbd1984 12y ago

> The user is a woman Nothing changes. Like "The user is trans" or "The user is Bulgarian" or "The user listens to Kinky Friedman" or "The user drinks from a hose". > your own preconceptions Speak for yourself.

dfullarton 12y ago
I think that was his point?
amagumori 12y ago
did you even read the post you replied to?
- kordless 12y ago
  Did you understand his? Regarding "nothing changes" he's spot on adding other groups that are entitled to fair and equal consideration. He's expanding the discussion, which is the point of this place (or is suppose to be). Regarding 'speak for yourself', I have to agree with him. When someone uses 'you' or 'your' in a sentence indicating someone specific should 'confront your own preconceptions' what they are really doing is making a blanket blaming statement across a group of people on whether or not they have preconceptions. That's a conversational no-no because someone doesn't have the right to speak for me on my behalf. It's the trust, man. It's the trust.
  - famblycat 12y ago
    Meh, I just read it as an anti-joke. I think you guys are getting worked up over nothing.
mrmondo 12y ago
I think you just misread his comment - his point was anti-sexist.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  There is exactly zero reason for bringing up gender in this thread, unless you're the kind of person who wants to turn every discussion into a gender problem. If my service targets general population and I'm using only men in UX testing, I'm not being sexist - I'm just being an idiot, missing out on feedback that could be relevant to 50% of my audience.
  - AimHere 12y ago
    And do you believe there are no idiots making websites? Surely 'The user is a woman' suggestion is one method of cutting down on web designers making unthinking gender-related assumptions, just as the 'User is drunk' person is trying to provide a service related to competency-related assumptions...
  - knowtheory 12y ago
    If discussing gender is a threatening proposition to you, your problem is likely not that gender exists. Also, you've admitted that gender matters since by general population statistics 50+% of your users aren't men? So like... seems like it'd be a legit topic to discuss?
    - hash9 12y ago
      It doesn't have to be discussed in every single comment page on hackernews to be taken seriously, it gets tiresome. In traditional forums john's comment would be considered a topic derailment. What does a guy testing websites drunk have to do with gender in tech?
      - TeMPOraL 12y ago
        Exactly this. It not only gets tiresome, but people go batshit insane in topics about gender, and it spawns some of the most ridiculous threads on this site. I get it, it's an important topic, but not every goddamn thing boils down to women in tech issues.
golergka 12y ago
Well, although you didn't have any preconceptions, seems like you confronted them anyway.

facepalm 12y ago

Citation needed.

cbd1984 12y ago

> The user is a woman Nothing changes. Downvoters are sexist.